Prime Artur Beterbiev vs 35 year old Larry Holmes

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by ShortRound, Jun 19, 2022.


Who takes it?

Poll closed Jun 26, 2022.
  1. Beterbiev

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  2. Holmes

    76.8%
  1. ShortRound

    ShortRound Active Member banned Full Member

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    (200+ lbs at HW) Beterbiev:

    - Has dropped and stopped all of his 18 modern-size LHW opponents, scoring 45 KD’s

    - Was the first man to stop 10 of his 18 opponents (Page Jr, A. Johnson, Maderna, Prieto, Koelling, C. Johnson, Kalajdzic, champ Gvozdyk, Deines, Browne) only two of which have been stopped since (Page Jr, Maderna) has 7 KO's inside the first 2 rounds (including over former champ Cloud, Page Jr, Prieto, champ Smith Jr) and has retired 3 opponents from boxing (Cruz, Cloud, prime Gvozdyk)

    - Three amateur wars (one over 4 rounds, two over 3, won the 4 rounder) against future undisputed cruiserweight champion and current 19-0 unified heavyweight champion Usyk, one of only three fighters known to have dropped Usyk in 375 fights

    - Beat future heavyweight contender Hunter, who had an amateur record of 132-11

    - Stopped future 2x cruiserweight champion Dorticos in 1 round

    - Never stopped in 300 amateur bouts and 18 pro fights, officially dropped twice in the pros but only noticeably hurt in one fight, stopped C. Johnson 2 rounds later

    35 year old Holmes:

    - Lost to ex-LHW Spinks (who'd failed to stop 8 of his 27 same day weigh-in LHW opponents, 5 of which had been stopped multiple times previously)

    - Had been knocked out twice (KO3, TKO1) by Nick Wells in the amateurs and had been dropped previously in the pros by 2-0 future journeyman Isaac (188 lbs) Shavers (211 lbs) and Snipes (216 lbs)

    - In 28 months Holmes would be dropped three times and stopped inside 4 rounds by a shorter, stubbier and far less experienced pressure fighter than Beterbiev
     
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holmes vs 185lb Light heavyweight ?

    Hmmm..... I'm not sure
     
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  3. ShortRound

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    The figures you've seen and claims made are inaccurate. A WBC program found that Beterbiev weighed 194.3 lbs in between fights, so he'd probably weigh a little more again at HW.

    If Beterbiev can catch a young Usyk, who was a master southpaw with faster feet than LHW Roy Jones, he can definitely catch a 35 year old Holmes and do serious damage.
     
  4. Robney

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    Holmes by close UD.

    Don't think beterbiev would score the upset, and he basically wouldn't get the nod in the US if he did anyway.
    Pretty damn sure he would do much better in a losing effort against Tyson as Spinks did, with Beterbiev vs Spinks at 175/190/200(+) being a toss-up.
     
  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh okay so 200 pound Beterbiev vs 35 year old Larry Holmes. :risas3:

    Why wouldn’t a 225lb Holmes just beat the crap out of him ? You mention Usyk but fail to mention Beterbievs other 8 losses in the amateurs. Plus Usyk is vulnerable to bodyshots. Holmes is not. Also different fighters

    Beterbiev is going to plod forward and played with. Much easier fight than Ray Mercer. He is no Mike Tyson.

    Whats next ? Beterbiev vs Foreman ? Beterbiev vs Tua ? Beterbiev vs Sonny Liston and Muhammad Ali ?
     
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  6. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We already had a Beterbiev vs Lewis thread :)
     
  7. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because Beterbiev DESTROYS Lewis


    Lewis has 0 punch resistance and got KO'd by much bigger men than Beterbiev.

    Lewis would not beat Beterbiev under any circumstances
     
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  8. Fourth_Horseman

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    I totally agree Beterbiev would KO Jerry Lewis.
     
  9. mark ant

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    But Holmes could catch him too and first because of the massive reach advantage, plus Beterbiev doesn`t have Tyson or Shavers heavyweight power.
     
  10. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    No way would Beterbiev last long v Tyson, he has no movement and would be right in front of Mike, he`s never been in the ring with a fighter that has Tyson`s power.
     
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  11. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    Big Larry by justified Homicide.
     
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  12. ShortRound

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    "He has no movement"

    You might well be the dumbest person on this forum.
     
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  13. ShortRound

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    Lewis got blasted out by HW's, he didn't lose to a LHW and there's no particular reason to believe he would (although I'd give a 190+ lbs Stevenson a chance). Holmes lost to a LHW champ, twice officially, at the age of 35/36 so this thread is not moronic trash like that thread.
     
  14. JackSilver

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    Man, you gotta be on drugs trying to say that Prime unbeaten 1988 Tyson was a lesser opponent for Holmes than light heavyweight Beterbiev would be.
     
  15. Loudon

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    Clear troll thread.

    5/10 for effort.