the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilfred Benitez TKO9 Tony Chiaverini

    First fight watched after moving halfway across the country!

    I could have picked a better one I guess but selected this one for whatever reason. Benitez won as he pleased against the tough, workmanlike Chiaverini. Nothing wrong with Tony, he seems a tough, resolute, honest professional; he just isn't in the same class as Benitez. After a tentative first round, Chiaverini tried to muscle Benitez on the inside and cut the distance, in an attempt to nullify any offense from the Puerto Rican. Problem is, few in history were as adept at fighting off the ropes as Benitez. That's an issue.

    After two or three rounds of figuring out Chiaverini's rushes, Benitez begins extending his arms with his punches and it's all downhill from there. The southpaw is increasingly rocked as the rounds tick by and Benitez begins pot-shotting at his leisure until finally Angelo Dundee, working Chiaverini's corner, has seen enough and realizes the futility of the day's efforts. I won't bother with a scorecard as to me at least Benitez won every round, by increasing margins.
     
  2. scartissue

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    Archie Moore v Jimmy Slade (Missouri & Illinois 10 pt. system)

    Thanks to @Journeyman92 for mentioning this recently (I immediately penciled it in and just getting to it now). This was scored on the Midwest's 10 point system, which was dividing the 10 points however necessary (6-4 winner of a round, 5-5 Even, etc.)

    Round 1: 5-5 Even
    Round 2: 6-4 Moore
    Round 3: 6-4 Moore
    Round 4: 6-4 Moore
    Round 5: 6-4 Moore
    Round 6: 6-4 Moore
    Round 7: 6-4 Moore
    Round 8: 6-4 Moore
    Round 9: 6-4 Moore
    Round 10: 6-4 Slade

    Total: 57-43 Moore (actual scores: 56-44, 55-45 and another 55-45 all for Moore)

    The first 7 rounds of this bout were very competitive as Slade was busier, but the economical Moore was just so pin-point with every punch a wallop. Rounds 8 & 9 it looked like Slade was on his last legs and took a hammering. The 10th started the same as the previous 2 rounds, but Slade suddenly came alive and gave it his all. I may have been generous giving him the round, but on heart alone he deserved the round. Announcer Russ Hodges commented on how - after over 100 fights - Moore's features were still relatively unmarked. A truly remarkable fighter. As for Slade, he was a good fighter, but he really should have got heavyweight out of his head. So many of his fights against heavies, he was weighing 177 and such. I know it was the era. And I know the money was always with the heavies. But he should really have stuck to 175. Of course, the problem there was, Moore was the light heavyweight champ too.
     
  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Moore wasn't actually light heavyweight champion by this point.
     
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  4. salsanchezfan

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    Curtis Parker KO 9 David Love

    This was Parker's big unveiling to the American public, coming into this bout at 15-0 with 13 KO's. Pacheco, often blurring the lines of reality with his observations over the years, accurately described the short, muscular Philly middleweight as a miniature Joe Frazier. Indeed, his attack was reminiscent of Joe's, if not with quite the power. Love was clearly worn down at this point in his career, but he was one of those gatekeeper types you have to beT coming up. Parker did not disappoint. Love just didn't have the firepower to keep Curtis respectful nor the power to dissuade him. He was inevitably ground down.

    1. Parker
    2. Parker
    3. Love
    4. Parker
    5. Parker
    6. Parker
    7. Parker
    8. Parker 10-8 (knockdown)
    9. Parker drops Love for the count.
     
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  5. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    watch and score the rematch. Louis beat the crap out of him adjusted and won at least 9 rounds
     
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  6. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This win really resonated in Philly and helped make Curtis Parker there.

    David Love had beaten Willie “The Worm” Monroe, Boogaloo Watts and Bennie Briscoe (a year before this fight). He could have nicknamed himself ‘The Philadelphia Assassin’ for his dominance over Philly’s fab middleweights up to that point.

    Love was a nice boxer-puncher who had a lot of other nice notches on his belt. He may have been showing some wear and tear by this point but he was still a viable test for Parker. Good win.
     
  7. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thanks @scartissue for explaining the Midwest 10-point system. I never knew how to make heads or tails of some of those scores. I’m fascinated by the different mechanisms for scoring fights over the years and you have further educated me.
     
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  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good catch.
     
  9. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Interesting to see Love was so viable so recently before this fight. He had the look of a done-in fighter in this one, though of course you just have to tip your cap to Parker, who looked tremendous.
     
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  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sal, I scored this a year or so back. We had it exactly the same. Here is what I wrote:

    Curtis Parker v David Love

    Continuing my fixation with Curtis Parker (I just seem to like this type of swarming fighter like Frankie Warren, Chillin Charley Riley, et al), here is his bout with David Love, which I also saw live back in 80. Love went into this fight with a hex over Philly fighters, having beaten Bennie Briscoe, Bobby Watts, Willie Monroe and Perry Abney. New Jersey rules - rounds basis.

    Round 1: Parker
    Round 2: Parker
    Round 3: Love
    Round 4: Parker
    Round 5: Parker
    Round 6: Parker
    Round 7: Parker
    Round 8: Parker (Parker appears to drop him at the end of the round but the ref doesn't count and just shows Love to his corner when the bell rings. I would have scored this 10-8 on the points system, but with NJ rules he just wins the round)
    Round 9: Parker drops and stops Love

    Total: 7-1 Parker (I don't know the official scores)

    David Love was a very sharp and precise hitter. He had a very nice boxing style with a lot of heart but just couldn't keep Parker off of him. Regarding the 3rd round for Love. That wasn't a pity round, he deserved it. Good fight even though one-sided in score, because Love never stopped trying.
     
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  11. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    On the subject of Parker, anyone who appreciated his style and story as I did may enjoy this documentary. I bring it up because it was mentioned here a number of times how the Parker v Frank 'The Animal' Fletcher bout doesn't exist. Well, it does. I was stunned when I watched this and they had the fight almost completely in its entirety (well, the 2 rounds it lasted anyway). The Fletcher fight begins around 28:55, but the whole story is good. Check it out if you can.

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  12. Saintpat

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    In Philly boxing circles, Love’s streak was a thing. Matching him with Parker at the time had some ‘is he ready for this’ vibes. Obviously, he was.
     
  13. salsanchezfan

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    Yeah, he gave Parker pause a couple times there in the third and had him back away some, he did earn that round. He just couldn't keep him off.
     
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  14. scartissue

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    Marcelo Dominguez v Sergey Kobozev (Cruiserweight title)

    Here's a good fight, but a bit of a scoring dilemma where the judge needs to decide.

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Kobozev
    Round 3: 10-10 Even (Dominguez scores a knockdown)
    Round 4: 10-10 Even (Dominguez scores a knockdown)
    Round 5: 10-9 Kobozev
    Round 6: 10-9 Kobozev
    Round 7: 10-9 Dominguez
    Round 8: 10-9 Dominguez
    Round 9: 10-9 Dominguez
    Round 10: 10-9 Kobozev
    Round 11: 10-10 Even (Best round)
    Round 12: 10-9 Kobozev

    Total: 117-115 Kobozev (actual scores: 116-115 Kobozev, and a 115-113 and 116-113 both for Dominguez for a split win)

    I'm sure you guys are looking at my 3rd and 4th rounds strangely. But to begin, this was a very decent fight between Kobozev, the more natural puncher and Dominguez, who would throw with abandon those big counter slaps. I say slaps because they were very much arm punches but driven by Dominguez' 190 lb. heft. These two fought it out with pure heart right down to the final bell and I won't argue with the decision. regarding rounds 3 & 4. In both cases I had Kobozev doing a fine job both rounds but Mitch Halpern - making an immediate decision, which a ref does - scored 2 knockdowns on Kobozev. The thing is I thought both were dubious. The first I thought was a shove and the second I thought was a slip, but then I'm aided by replays, which Halpern was not. Anyways, rather than hand out a traditional 10-8 for those 2 rounds, I gave Dominguez the official KD point, but also gave Kobozev his point for the round. I just couldn't reach that far to give the champ a 10-8. On a side note, this was Kobozev's last fight. He was murdered less than 3 weeks later.
     
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  15. BoB Box

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