Dempsey's crazy 1st round KO record

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  1. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    "I was a miner and I was a cowboy but mostly I was a hobo. I fought wherever I could, in school halls, outside saloons, any place they were putting up a purse. I once walked thirty miles across the desert to a town called Goldfield in Nevada so I could fight for twenty dollars.

    I got beat a lot. I improved. But I remember the beatings I took. Once I got beat so bad they had to take me out of the ring in a wheelbarrow. Later some said I was a killer in the ring. They got that wrong. I killed nobody. But I took out other guys quick. That much is true. I got more one round knockouts than anybody, sixty knockouts in the first round.

    I beat a good Heavyweight in New Orleans once in fourteen seconds. I knocked out Fred Fulton, six-foot-four, 250 pounds, in nineteen seconds. How come? Not because I was a killer. Other way round. I was always afraid that I'd be the one who was killed. Get 'em quick and you live to fight another day."




    60 1st round KOs.



    While it's true that some of those occured in semi pro, barely regulated barroom brawls, and some happened without the neutral corner rule, it's still very impressive. It speaks to both the quickness/ferocity of Dempsey as well as his superb finishing ability.

    Statistically, if he manages to hurt you, it's very unlikely you'll make it to the 2nd. In terms of h2h discussions, that must count for something regardless of how you rate his era or your attitude towards his size/technique. The guy was fast as hell, hit like a truck, could be very elusive, good accuracy, and showed zero mercy. His power was effective on very large opponents.

    My question is: Is Dempsey the most dangerous fighter of all time in the first round?
     
  2. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Tough to gauge

    the men big he beat had zero skills

    he ducked hands down the best fighter of his era, Harry Wills

    the other best fighter of the era he fought..he lost 19 out of 20 rounds against him (Tunney)

    first round KOs impressive..but against what level of competition?

    but I don’t see this type of strategy working vs modern big men who had skill power speed and athleticism
     
  3. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg @paulmillsfitness Full Member

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    Shannon Briggs had 37 first round KO’s…
     
  4. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well there was that one time when Fireman Flynn was more dangerous than Jack in the first round.
     
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  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Maxine said he was at most a 4 round fighter cuz the strychnine would wear off by then.
     
  6. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s Full Member

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    I am sure Maxine knows boxing better then the countless who saw him.
     
  7. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Love the new avatar!
     
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  8. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Dempsey definitely had the intent to finish his fights as soon as possible, as he testified himself. It seems he became more and more efficient at achieving super fast finishes (against quality opposition) as his career progressed, particularly during his tear to the title.

    It's valuable to have the Willard fight on film. If not for the Willard film, we might not have been able to exactly imagine the ferocity - as described in the literature in respect of Dempsey's earlier, unfilmed fights. Against Willard, I love the Dempsey roll and that left hook - easy to visualize Dempsey landing the same type of left (that felled Willard) on the likes of Morris, Fulton etc., and understand why they weren't getting back up - or, if they did, being dusted off shortly thereafter.

    Dempsey also had excellent sparring partners to hone all features of his game. Big Bill Tate certainly gave Dempsey excellent give/take sessions. Jamaica Kid, smaller and faster than Tate helped to hone Dempsey's speed, accuracy and tracking of an elusive opponent.

    Others might disagree but I think Willard displayed an incredible chin to keep arising as he did - and while Dempsey was a bit toned down in rounds 2 and re-energized in part in round 3, Jess was still being hit by thunderous punches.

    For all intents and purposes, the stoppage of Willard was near enough to yet another 1st round KO. IMO, that was Dempsey's peak - at least psychologically - at his absolute, hungriest best.

    He still had some excellent performances to follow but with wealth, celebrity and adulation, he could never be the hungry, ferocious fighter he was once was. I don't overrate Dempsey but I've definitely become more impressed with the man given access to more informative literature and fantastic enhancements of the original footage.
     
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  9. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s Full Member

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    Some cool guy introduced me to him.
     
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  10. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    There was one time when Liston lost to Marry Marshall.

    Or Wladmir lost to Ross Purrity.

    I could go on.

    Both had far more experience than debuting Dempsey.
     
  11. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Modern big men over 220 lbs can't move as quickly as Dempsey. Wilder and Usyk are the only guys in the modern era with good fast twitch muscle and athleticism for their size. A lot of them are lumbering behemoths.

    I think Dempsey would have a harder time with the tall movers who had good jabs of the 80's than most guys of today's era, and that says a lot.
     
  12. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    From Google:

    "Strychnine prevents the proper operation of the chemical that controls nerve signals to the muscles. The chemical controlling nerve signals works like the body's “off switch” for muscles. When this “off switch” does not work correctly, muscles throughout the body have severe, painful spasms.

    When ingested, strychnine causes muscular convulsions before death through asphyxia."

    Can I ask why a boxer would intentionally take strychnine?
     
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  13. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Willard showed insane toughness despite his arrogant attitude. He was the opposite of a bully who folds when getting hit back and seriously tried to win. He just had absolutely no chance against the mad tasmanian devil tearing him whenever he attempted to land something.

    It's a bit like the Foreman vs Frazier fight. The fact such a big puncher dropped Frazier 6x and he could still get his feet on his own shows how good Fraziers chin was. A glass jawed or even an average jawed fighter isn't getting up that many times against so many flush bombs to the head.

    I agree the Willard fight was Dempsey at his peak in terms of ferocity. He channeled a rage you usually only see in people who are defending their home from a break in. The sweet science combined with raw savagery. He had enough sense to use lateral movement, head movement, and paced himself well in smoldering heat while landing 4, 5, 6 punch brutal combinations.
     
  14. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Active Member Full Member

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    Indeed, Willard was a very tough man. Jack Johnson would know.
     
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  15. Greb5000

    Greb5000 New Member Full Member

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    Research of Dempsey and his opponents and sparring partners opinions are very elucidating as nearly all were awed by his punching ability from Battling Levinsky to George Godfrey to Gene Tunney. This was along with Louis the greatest puncher anyone has ever seen