the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Sal, I checked this out a little over a year ago and we're very similar in our summation. Here is what I wrote:

Henry Hank v Gene (Ace) Armstrong (NY rounds basis)

Round 1: Armstrong
Round 2: Even
Round 3: Armstrong
Round 4: Armstrong
Round 5: Hank
Round 6: Armstrong
Round 7: Hank
Round 8: Armstrong
Round 9: Hank
Round 10: Hank

Total: 5-4-1 Armstrong (actual scores: 5-4-1, 6-3-1 and 8-1-1 all for Armstrong)

Only the 8-1-1 seems out of line with what happened. The other two are reasonable. A very tough fight and tough on the judge. Hank seemed lethargic, only fighting in spurts and let the fight get away. Don't know if he or the corner thought they could take Ace out whenever they wanted, but it was not to be. Regarding Ace, I was actually starting to cheer him on during the fight. I was really impressed with his box-fighter style in the pocket and with his beautiful short counters inside. Hank had the emphasis on power when he would let them rip, but Ace would fight back unperturbed and fight steadily which helped make this fight a conundrum on the judge. Do you like steady boxing or intermittent power? But a good fight.

 

Good summation. How do you view Hank's relative poor power, compared to the incredible torque he gets on his shots? It seems we should call him "Hands of Marshmallow."

 

It's sort of strange. He takes these big swipes at his opponent and you would think there would be more of an effect. But an enjoyable fight where the 2 antagonists really went at it was Hank's fight with Dick Tiger. Everyone needs to see it in its entirety but I will also say everyone needs to see this sequence where both fighters nail the other with simultaneous left hooks. here is the 10th round. They nail each other at the 2:16 mark and you will be amazed that neither went down. Here you go.

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Sal, I checked this out today. Saw it back in '80 but needed to see it again. I remember back then saying to a boxing buddy, "The difference between a good fighter and a great one was what we saw last night." Benitez almost completely abandoned his defense in order to get off his shots, and they were as sharp as razors. I was very generous giving Tony a share of the 2nd round but all others to Benitez for a 80-73 score.

 

One of my favorite comedy bits every was Monty Python’s skit of a boys school production of ‘Seven Brides for Seven Brothers,’ with four lads playing the brothers and two girls from a nearby girls school playing the brides. Here’s a short bit:

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/82d0c8e9-5ae0-4774-87dc-39cca145a90a

 

Yep! That fight was actually my introduction to Henry Hank. Pure TV fighter that guy was.

 

So many quotable scenes. Love Monty Python.

 

Going through Rummy's 50 Must See Fights List (just ones I haven't seen already or don't remember well) and figured might as well score them too.

Eder Jofre vs Fighting Harada 1


Round 1: 10-9 Harada. Well this bodes well. Great round.
Round 2: 10-9 Harada. Jofre landing with some nice counters and making Harada miss a fair amount, but Harada's jab and volume edged it.
Round 3: 10-10 Even. Wow what a round. Best one yet.
Round 4: 10-9 Harada. Nearly a 10-8 round Harada had Jofre in bad shape.
Round 5: 10-9 Jofre. Jofre landing some big overhands that round.
Round 6: 10-9 Harada. Close
Round 7: 10-9 Harada. Another close one. Edged Harada bc of his jab and volume.
Round 8: 10-10. Too close to call for me.
Round 9: 10-9 Harada
Round 10: 10-9 Harada. Just outworking him. Jofre is landing some good clean shots every round but Harada is throwing more and landing more from what I see.
Round 11: 10-9 Harada
Round 12: 10-9 Harada. close but if I gave it to Jofre i'd be lying to myself.
Round 13: 10-9 Jofre
Round 14: 10-9 Jofre. His best round. He's had the most success with the counter overhand right all fight rather than trying to jab with FH.
Round 15: 10-9 Harada

My score: 147-140 fighting harada. actual cards were a split decision for Harada. I dunno maybe it's me watching old film vs ppl there in person but it looked like pretty clearly a FH win to me.

P.S. also watched Nigel Benn's 1-punch annihilation of Michael Chilambe for the commonwealth mw title. No scorecard needed.

 

I think Rummy’s top 50 is a good list - a few too many heavyweight fights on there for my taste that could have been replaced with more deserving fights but there’s plenty of great fights on there that are justifiably on the list and this is one of them.

I had it closer than you did but it was a Harada win, of that I have little doubt.

 

Jeremy Williams v Maurice Harris (10 rounds)

Round 1: 10-9 Williams
Round 2: 10-9 Harris
Round 3: 10-9 Williams
Round 4: 10-8 Harris (battering)
Round 5: 10-9 Harris
Round 6: 10-9 Harris
Round 7: 10-9 Harris
Round 8: 10-9 Harris
Round 9: 10-9 Harris
Round 10: 10-9 Harris

Total: 98-91 Harris (actual scores: 98-91, 98-90 and 99-89 all for Harris)

The first time I saw Mo Harris, he upset Jimmy Thunder. He then followed that up with the close decision loss to Larry Holmes (a bout I thought Harris won). Then this bout where he came in as a sub for Hasim Rahman and upset the applecart again by punishing the favored Williams. I truly thought he was about to take off in the heavyweight ranks. A feel good story as he had a journeyman record and was just coming into his own. But then the heavens crashed down on him along with the fists of Derrick Jefferson and he really lost his footing. He would pull out a good win such as Sergi Leyhovich (spelling) but then lose to Fres Oquendo in a bout that he was winning. Great potential if only he could have shook that journeyman aura from himself.

 

Ray Mancini W12 Jose Luis Ramirez

The fight I somehow always forget to get to. I had read that Mancini fought as he often did here, crowding his opponent and not allowing Ramirez room to punch. That's not really the fight I saw.

Aside from the fourth and twelfth round where he did indeed press forward and fight inside, Mancini instead fought outside for the most part, having been allowed every opportunity to throw lead rights, hooks off the jab, pretty much whatever he wanted. Ramirez was mystifyingly inactive, throwing only probing right jabs, rarely extending his arms and unleashing his own potent straight left cross. Mancini would in time prove susceptible to this punch from other opponents, but Ramirez fought in a frustrating, insular way. Mancini won every round, so I won't bother with the scorecard. Mancini showed excellent combinations, purposeful movement when he needed it, and an ability to read the ebb and flow of a fight, all good things. Ramirez, however, was a major disappointment, especially given the performance we saw during that time period against Arguello.

 

I don't know if you've seen it before, but i thought Harris's performance against Izon was a good performance, his jab was really good in that fight. The wheels started to fall off for Harris after losing to Chris Byrd, in which was one of Byrd's stand out exciting wins.

 

Harold Johnson vs Ezzard Charles 1953


Round 1 - Harold Johnson

Round 2 - Harold Johnson

Round 3 - Ezzard Charles

Round 4 - Ezzard Charles

Round 5 - Harold Johnson

Round 6 - EVEN

Round 7 - Ezzard Charles

Round 8 - Harold Johnson

Round 9 Ezzard Charles

Round 10 Ezzard Charles
**(Johnson knocked down from Charles's right hand, incorrectley ruled a slip. )

5 rounds to 4 with 1 even in favor of Ezzard Charles.

95-93 Ezzard Charles under 10 point must system with the knockdown in the 10th making it a 10-8 round.

 

I did a thread on this fight some time ago that has some interesting discussion:

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/what-to-make-of-mancini’s-win-over-jose-luis-ramirez.602213/

Also one on Ramirez’s odd career path in general and how he reversed course after this fight and become a force, where I offered my analysis:

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/the-curious-case-of-jose-luis-ramirez.575277/

Regardless, it’s Mancini’s best win IMO. But JLR is one of my favorite fighters and highly underrated I think.

 

Ramirez is definitely interesting. His best wins came after he either decided consciously to eschew his underrated boxing skills and become more of an aggressive banger, OR that he simply slowed down and had no choice but to alter his style. Against Arguello and Mancini, he seemed to want to counter.