Head to head, Is Luis Ortiz the best southpaw heavyweight of all time?

Those guys would have little chance unless Sanders dropped a bomb. Malik Scott wouldn't have lost every second to him if he were easy to outpoint.

 

Forgot Sanders. Yep, knock Ortiz down yet another notch.

 

Moorer was better than Sanders.

 

He’s alright but definitely not better than Sanders, Moorer, Byrd, Uysk.

 

Dude he’s old as **** and completely shot. Punch resistance and legs go at a certain point.

 

"Wilder had bitten off more than he can chew. He thinks that he has found a safe opponet with no punch. But Duhaupas has skills and a chin. He will box cirlces around the big fraud, and he can hurt Deontay more than Deontay can hurt him." - brain damaged catchwtboxing, seemingly unashamed of his dumb predictions about Wilder

Pre-Steward Wlad also got knocked out by journeyman Puritty and fringe contender Brewster. Like Andy Ruiz (who barring the Joshua win has looked considerably worse in his career than Ortiz) Sanders was a one hit wonder.

 

Indeed.

So considering he proved absolutely nothing at his peak and now he's shot it's too late to fix his record... He absolutely will not go down as *one of* the great southpaws, let alone *the* greatest southpaw.

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What makes him better than Usyk, Byrd or Michael Moorer?

 

Harder jab and much bigger counter left than them. More durable than Moorer.

Usyk is better overall.

Byrd wasn't, which is why he struggled with guys like Golota.

Ortiz was past prime by the time he faced Wilder the first time.

 

The thread isn't about subjective assessments of greatness, it's about Ortiz's head to head ability.

We don't exactly know when his peak was because he turned pro so late and was avoided by many fighters but he KO'd a 19-1 Jennings in 7, who was coming off a 12 round 9-3/10-2 loss to Wlad and would go on to have a close fight with Joe Joyce in Britain. Destroying the 6th Ring ranked heavyweight obviously proves *something*, you'd have to be biased to earnestly claim that it proved "absolutely nothing". Ortiz also beat many opponents (Scott, Thompson, Allen, Cojanu) in more dominant fashion than rival contenders (Chisora, Pulev, Takam, Whyte, Parker) which also proves *something*.

Of the 10 best heavyweight southpaws, Ortiz is bigger than most, a bigger puncher than most, more skilled than most, has a better win than most and less bad losses than most, so he's definitely well up there in ability.

His next opponent is AJ conqueror and former unified champion Andy Ruiz so if what you describe as a shot Ortiz can beat him now, that also strengthens Ortiz's argument for being an extremely formidable H2H southpaw HW.

 

Uh, Duhapas did very well against Wilder, and finished on his feet when many felt he could have kept going. That fight against a second rate but game and capable opponent shows just how poor Wilder is. the refs also bailed Wilder out against Ortiz.

As for Wlad...still better than anything on Wilder's record.

Wilder sucks.

 

"Wilder landed 326 of 587 punches thrown (56%) whilst Duhaupas landed 98 of 332"

Wilder either won every round or virtually every round: [url]https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/deontay-wilder-vs-johann-duhaupas[/url]

The fact that you're praising Duhaupas for finishing on his feet against Wilder despite getting battered and handed his first stoppage defeat in 35 fights speaks volumes about Wilder's ability. If Duhaupas (who had beaten Charr and would go on to KO a 22-0 Helenius in Finland) was "second rate" but "game and capable" then dominating such an opponent is a good win.

The referees bailed old man Ortiz out from taking additional unnecessary damage and saved him for another day. He might not have been able to continue his career to this point if Wilder had landed a few more bombs.

Losing to journeymen and fringe contenders is worse than literally anything on Wilder's record.

 

Yeah, he was a good and game second rate opponent and he finished on his feet. It shows Wilder sucks.

 

Hell NO…. Moorer, Usyk, Byrd, Ibragamov, Sanders, to name a few….
Ortiz = good but overrated

 

By that meaningless standard pretty much every fighter in history sucks as almost all had second rate opponents finish on their feet against them.