Should Fury have to vacate WBC belt? - Luis Ortiz thinks so

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Should Fury have to vacate?

Poll closed Oct 6, 2022.

  1. No

    15 vote(s)
    55.6%

  2. Yes (If so, when should he have to).

    12 vote(s)
    44.4%
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  1. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    Luis Ortiz thinks it should be him vs Ruiz for title

    I personally don't think Fury should have to Vacate. He recently fought a mandatory and won.

    There is no one else in the WBC that deserves a mandatory shot. Wilder and Whyte were both pimp slapped by Fury. Fury has done enough to delay things until the Usyk/Joshua fight is sorted.

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    I'd say what the feck either have done to earn it.

    But I think it's fair that the winner of this fight becomes rank 1 contender.
     
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    Vegan Beast, Jun 28, 2022
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  2. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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  3. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well considering it appears Fury has told WBC he hasn't retired but told everyone else he has.

    I have no issue with Ruiz being number 1 contender and mandatory when he beats Ortiz.
     
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  4. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg @paulmillsfitness Full Member

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    Fury has retired and intends never to fight again (his words) So why is he holding the entire division hostage by keeping the WBC belt? And besides, he only cares about the lineal title anyway (his words). The man’s full of ****
     
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  5. FastLeft

    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    no. not yet. he is same as when Ali in 1975-79 keep say he retired.
    Fury just did defeat mandatory challenge in April so he can probable until next April stay with wbc belt title
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Who cares? WBC belt is a joke. If Graciano Rocchigiani hadn't taken mercy upon them they would no longer exist. I'm sick he didn't put his foot through their ****ing face.
     
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  7. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    Because Fury hasn't officially retired. Saying you're retired and then officially retiring and vacating your belts and not the same thing.

    Fury will have the belt until he vacates it willingly, or he gets another mandatory challenger who he refuses to face and loses it that way.

    Boxers can say they're going to retire and change their mind.
     
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  8. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    I don't think it's a joke personally. Fury vs Wilder, Fury vs Whyte, these are good fights.

    WBA is the real joke. WBC is alright.
     
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  9. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury should vacate, but not for Ruiz vs Ortiz. More for Joyce vs Sanchez as they are higher in the WBC rankings
     
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  10. Murderers' Row

    Murderers' Row Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's probably the most prestigious belt out there along with the Ring Magazine. The organisation is a joke though.
     
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    WBC is a leech. At best. They can be paid to: strip a fighter of his championship. Allegedly move a fighter up in the rankings. Move a fighter down in the rankings. They will provide rankings for fighters who have never fought in a given division for money. They will exclude a fighter who refuses to pay them from a "title" fighter for years. They have named up to 22 champions in 17 divisions, for money. They stripped Leon Spinks and Bobby Chacon because convinced killer Don King told them too. They also withheld championship rights to fights until Don King was awarded promotional rights for that fight. The WBC continued to recognise Mike Tyson as champion after he was defeated by Buster Douglas, for money. They actively prevented WBC champions from fighting unification bouts.

    This is off the top of my head. There is absolutely no way for me to provide a detailed account of how badly WBC treats fighters, of how corrupt and negative and evil this corporation is without overrunning the character limit on a forum post. Any legitimate fight fan who doesn't despise the WBC just doesn't understand them.
     
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  12. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    They're still not as bad as the WBA though.
     
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  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol: i think you're comparing genital torture to degloving but in the end i'd agree.
     
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  14. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So Ortiz, who got SMASHED INTO OBLIVION TWICE by Wilder, thinks he is a more fitting champion than Fury ... by beating Ruiz?
    And Ruiz, who almost got KO'd by retired Arreola, thinks he would be a more fitting champion than Fury for beating the guy who got KO'd twice by Wilder?

    Fury could literally beat both on one night. People often say that type of thing, but this is a case where it could actually happen.

    Fury just fought Whyte. He should be allowed to wait on the AJ/Usyk result. If he screws around at that point and won't make the fight, then strip him.
     
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  15. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    Andy Ruiz beat Arreola, he didn't almost get KO'd he got up.

    Ruiz at his best is a good fighter, he is taking this more seriously now.

    Besides Usyk he's the only fighter to beat Joshua, something that Wlad, Povetkin, Parker, Whyte all failed to do.

    Ruiz is still in the top 7-8 IMO.
     
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