Let's settle it once and for good. Do you think Wilder has a legitimate body of work for a champion?

Spell medalist right. And He was slapped all over by Wlad.

 

I guess even if you compare him to former OKish beltholders like Ibragimov and Chagaev his resume isn't that bad.

Who did Ibragimov beat? Old Evander, old and asthmatic Briggs, Lance Whitaker, draw with Austin.

Who did Chagaev beat? Old Ruiz, Valuev, Kali Meehan and Matt Skelton. That's not too hot.

 

Who? Wilder? Why are you bringing that up?

 

Wlad and Wilder never fought, Give your head a shake.

 

They sparred and Wilder got his turds pushed in. This is very public knowledge.

What else were you referring to?

 

Sparring is only sparring. He also isn't the best Heavy of his era, big Bro would do him up real nice and KO him.

 

If you hear Hearn or some other promoter saying "we only want 50-50 fights on our shows" and then you look up the odds and see a wall of:

10-1, 25-1, 20-1, 5-1, 8-1 etc.

You should know that you're being conned (if you have a functioning brain).

 

When you say "how is this guy rated top 10" it's either meant to be some kind of humour or it's sheer absurdity. Whyte was recently rated as a "top 5 heavyweight", mainly on the back of his "resume" aka his controversial wins over Chisora, Parker and his legit win over jellyfish corpse Povetkin (who along with green AJ KO'd him cold in their first fight). Name 10 or even 5 fighters in the division with better records than Wilder, it's just silliness.

 

Arreola was well past it apparently but 5 years after Wilder schooled and stopped him easily and coming off 21 months of inactivity he gave an in shape (by his standards) Ruiz a very tough fight over 12 rounds, dropped him, hurt him multiple times.

Liakhovich was shot to bits when Wilder sent him into a spasm inside 2 minutes but he was...back to his best when he gave Ruiz a hard fight over the 10 round distance more than a year later?

Molina upset the odds in his very next fight, KO'ing Adamek in Poland. For this he was deemed worthy of being one of AJ's world title challengers.

Washington KO'd Jerry Forrest in 2 rounds when both were green but the win has aged well: in Forrest's next fight he went the full 8 rounds with Hunter and he's been giving a good account of himself as a high level journeyman ever since. Washington also upset the odds against Chambers in a shutout and Helenius by KO post-Wilder.

The argument isn't that these and others were stellar opponents but time has shown that they were definitely underrated.

 

The "coked up has been" would have "schooled" pretty much everyone (if not everyone) in the division by a wider margin. If Fury didn't feel confident that he was in good enough shape after just over a year back in training and two warmup fights to beat a very dangerous active long-reigning champion then he wouldn't have taken the fight. Wilder had Fury down twice, the fight could have easily been called off with the 2nd KD. It was hardly a typical schooling.

 

I'm referring to that measuring stick being used by a poster starting with "neet".

 

Not really Wilder's opponents have been criticized and rightly so and hard to say they were underrated. Most were shot and well past their best.

Ruiz isn't a a puncher and there are still many question marks over how good he is. Liakhovich was sparked by an ancient Briggs in a snoozefest in 2006 but years later is still a top line fighter? No, not at all. He hasn't beaten anyone of note for years. That's not an underated win for Wilder.

Adamek was out of his best division and well past his best when Molina beat him I wouldn't read much into that at all.
AJ's list of wins has aged terribly - Molina at that point was 25-3 but was seen as a unspectacular opponent who AJ was expected to be easily. Which he did. Adamek was an elite cruiser in his prime. Terrific fighter but in the later part of his heavy career he wasn't impressive. I think he'd lost 3 of his last 4 around the time he fought Molina and Molina has himself proved to a less than impressive fighter as his career has gone. Stopping Eric Molina isn't an impressive win.

Washington as a high level journyman - fine.... But we are talking about Wilder being WBC champion. The odd low level fighter in a run of defenses is probably to be expected with boxing politics. But you can't try and defend his list of wins with Washington.

Why not fight Whyte, Parker, Ruiz, hell Jennings would have been better than some- plenty of choice of opposition. So yes there were better opponents out there and he should have got in the ring with some of them.

From the Liakhovich fight on wards Wilders opposition for a top belt holder is really poor. The 2nd Stiverne fight was nonsense. He then goes on to fight undefeated Ortiz and eventually Fury and I give him credit there but his opposition is dire his wins aren't under rated they are judged by the majority to be mainly weak and the odds stacked in his favour against old, over weight has beens.

 

Of course he would have done. Hindsight is always 20/20.