Joshua on why he sacked his training team..

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  1. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    What about when the big man himself was losing to McDermott?
     
  2. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Both Fury McDermott bouts were great fights. Fury fighting on empty for most of the bout but mustering up the energy from reserves that don't exist. Pure heart & determination.

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  3. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You might be right but it was clearly not a winning strategy unless they thought the judges would oblige but it just wasn't that close. I gave Joshua 2-3 of the mid rounds before Usyk took control down the home straight.
    I agree though that I would rather he go out on his shield with more effort yes Usyk outskilled him but the fact is Joshua underperformed first time out. I'm aware that most attribute that to Usyk but it was clear to me watching the fight that Joshua was just trying to hear the last bell without being clipped. He didn't look like a man trying to win a fight. We will see what happens in the rematch I still favour Usyk but anythings possible at Heavyweight.
     
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  4. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Brilllllliant AJ!! :lol:
     
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  5. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    I agree, he wasn't. He was trying to make sure he heard the final bell and his corner were encouraging him for the same reason. He nearly failed despite this, but he and his corner were on the same page - avoid the stoppage.

    Also agree about the mid-rounds, where AJ won a few and Usyk took a couple off to replenish energy for the championship rounds. I just feel if AJ had stepped on the gas in those rounds rather than try fiddle his way through them, Usyk would have responded. And considering AJ was much more gassed than Usyk, I think he would have closed the show before the final bell had AJ forced the pace.

    That's the dilemma which carries over from the first fight to the rematch and he's got nothing to lose by rolling the dice. I just don't think he has the confidence, not after he's buzzed and how he instinctively reacts when this happens...
     
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  6. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    His ring IQ is questionable so he may have actually have believed he was winning.

    I only say his ring IQ is questionable because of his genius game plans. First genius idea was to trade with Andy Ruiz, who has T-rex arms by comparison, in the first fight that he lost. His second genius game plan was to try to outbox and elite level master boxer like Usyk.
     
  7. alpo1

    alpo1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I thought he kept the brilliant AJ guy on the payroll?
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    More BS and lies from the bodybuilder

    Less than two days before the fight

    ''I know what I’m doing. I know exactly what I’m doing. I know what I’m gonna do. I know...Knockout, Kronk style. When I watch things, I like Emanuel Stewart’s mindset. Obviously you’ve got to do your As and Bs and Cs but is you follow them they’ll lead to you to KO — and that’s what we’re here to do, put on a spectacular show, people want to see knockouts and that’s what we’ve got to deliver for the fans.”

    He was clearly befuddled by Usyk's constant movement, speed and feints from the outset and was having enough trouble trying to pin him down and catch him with arm punches

    Said he's never gone into the ring with a game plan before which is quite clearly patently untrue and absurd

    Says the game plan against Usyk was to box

    And now this

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    That ''huh'' reaction was obviously because he thought he might get another gift from the judges in his home country again not because he thought he'd done enough


    Pretty sure his current co-trainer Angel Fernandez was in his corner for the first fight giving him instructions too
     
  9. AlwaysFirst

    AlwaysFirst Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As a fan of AJ I like hearing he switched trainer/team although I’m not sure I would of picked Garcia. Garcia should have him fight though and that’s what AJ needs, winning a boxing match against Usyk will be hard but he can diffidently win a street fight type of fight, especially if he comes heavy.

    Hope AJ proves everyone wrong and KO Usyk so we can stop hearing his delusional fans talking about how he would beat the greats of heavyweight.
     
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  10. AlwaysFirst

    AlwaysFirst Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Btw for those ppl say it’s absurd of AJ to think he was winning I can tell you that I’m probably one of the few on here that fought pro and it’s not always so easy to tell if you’re winning or not, especially if it’s close.

    I had one tough fight I won by KO, I knew it was close but I thought I clearly was winning up until the KO but after the fight reporters came up and said “wow, what a comeback!”, I answered “what are you talking about, I was winning?!”. Well, when I finally watched the fight I wasn’t winning at all, lol. It’s not always so easy when you’re in there, especially when everyone is sheering for you.
     
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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Sounds like a game plan to me albeit obviously anyone above dog intelligence wouldn't need to read these quotes to know AJ was talking complete bollocks

    'Anthony Joshua’s longtime trainer Rob McCracken says the plan is for AJ to box Andy Ruiz Jr. on December 7th, and not put himself in harm’s way like he did in their previous fight in June. McCracken doesn’t want to give away the whole game plan, but he makes it clear that the focus is to box Ruiz, and not let him get close to get close to land his combinations.

    “I want to box Ruiz, and that’s what he’s going to do,” said McCracken. “You’ve seen heavyweight champions lose their titles, and have a rematch with the person they’ve lost to. He’s not going to go skulk away, and take another year or 18 months to. He doesn’t want to do that. he wants to beat Ruiz, and try and get his titles back. He doesn’t want to fight lower level opponents. That’s the reality of it. He’s a smart guy, and he knows what he’s doing, and in my opinion, if he gets it right, and he carries out the tactics, he can get his titles back.''


    'Anthony Joshua’s trainer Rob McCracken has openly discussed aspects of their game plan for Saturday’s rematch with Andy Ruiz Jr.

    When asked whether it matters if AJ emerges victorious via points or stoppage, McCracken told Sky: “I don’t care, I don’t care if he wins on points or–

    “I just really don’t care. I think he’s gotta stick to the tactics, I think he’s gotta use his advantages and get the win.''

    “He got the win using his tactics smartly against [Joseph] Parker. I think he’s gotta do something not the same but similar, little differences.

    “But certainly he’s just gotta stick to the tactics and not worry too much about the crowd and the excitement of the rounds.

    “Just get out there, get behind your jab, start boxing and get the win. Use your height and reach, use your advantages.

    “I don’t take a lot of notice of it, but the people that work in the camp…listen, it was a hard night,” said McCracken. “We’ve seen great fighters lose and get KO’d. They’ve come back, and won in the rematch, and got the tactics right. If Anthony can employ the tactics he needs to do, he can win the rematch,

    ''It’s a fight. It’s reactive fighting. A boxing match, professional is like a fight. You know how a fight breaks out on the street. Anything can happen. It’s the one that is in control that wins. Joshua has got to be in control. That’s what he’s got to do, and that’s going to be part of the game plan. I’m not going to go into the technical side of it, but certainly he’s got to be in control and win one round at a time. He’s got to carry out the plan that he’s training for, and he’s agreed to as well,” said McCracken.''
     
  12. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Joshua is delusional if he thought he was winning.
     
  13. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Always felt the method of training joshua would always catch up with him.

    Mckrackens a decent coach but took him as far as he could. Watching them train....instead of being a yes man.... Mckracken was a bit of a nit picker...constantly telling joshua what to do etc. Tbf it was exactly what joshua needed up to a certain level....but at the higher level you really need to have learned what to do for yourself.

    Should be a good move....they,ll probably have better sparring in america. They need to let joshua fight it out and learn for himself. His talk was always about learning....but the whole point of learning is to get to a point you dont need teaching anymore.

    Garcia will give him advice after hes made mistakes....mckracken was giving him advice as he was making them...wasnt letting him learn from his mistakes for himself first.... in training anyway. I think it affected joshuas confidence tbh.

    I think mckracken knew joshuas limitations. He was trying to encourage him with the brilliant aj stuff. If he forced him on too much he knew usyk would have drowned him. He was just trying to give him the encouragement to turn the fight around knowing the gung ho approach would have been limited knowing joshuas weaknesses. Should be an interesting fight tho....with better sparring and preparing for a war a bit better. Usyk a hard man to deal with tho.
     
  14. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To be fair mate we know that Eddie got him a self help book for Christmas and Joshua takes soundbites out of it.
    All the Kronk nonsense was just that Joshua hasn't been aggressive for years now and the issue is clearly a mental one.
    He clearly has the power and attributes to do damage but he's struggling to apply those advantages due to fear of gassing and getting clipped. I think like Canelo doing that gear made him a front runner and when they can't execute their then in trouble. Carrying too much muscle means that you either have to take breaks within every round to rest or take someone out quickly. I'm not convinced he has enough time to adapt but we will see. I wouldn't be surprised of a robbery if it's more competitive this time out.
     
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  15. Forza

    Forza Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    AJ actually has a decent chance in the rematch, but hey its cool to trash him these days because he has fallen so hard from the top. I would not be shocked if he hurts usyk and gets him out of there early.
     
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