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Yea I like Joyce, but he’s too inactive for someone his age

 

Doesn`t have too many miles on the clock though.

 

I like Joyce and he's a difficult nights work for anybody in the division..
If you were a scientist in a lab and you combined a T800 Terminator. Imhotep. Herman Munster. Jason Voorhees. Michal Myers. The Juggernaut and the Hulk. Then what you would have is Joyce add a dash of slickness and deceptive footwork and you're done.

Yeah he looked a little slower against Hammer although to me that's just lack of activity. Would have preferred the Parker fight as that would have given us a little context in relation to a top 5-10 guy in the division. That isn't Joyce's fault however and would like to see him against stiffer opposition as he isn't Young and time is ticking.

 

Great summary mate. There's not much I could add further regarding his attributes other than his modest almost innocent deep, deep, deep dyed in the wool self belief and confidence. It's all very natural & all very real.

Both run true to his genuine grounded nature too. There's no bullshite self hype or OTT boorish arrogance, no self pretending. He is what he is. There's absolutely nothing fake about his persona.

When he believes he'll win a fight (that's 100% of the time I'm sure) then he genuinely believes it. Add into the equation all his other attributes you've mentioned and and you've got one hell of a nights work coming at you.....

 

That's what I was thinking. I thought his feet were more active previously. Maybe he had an injury, maybe the lay off affected or maybe he just didn't give a damn what Hammer threw and knew he could break him down in the way he did.

That said, he shouldn't be getting hit by numerous overhand rights in the first round. By hammer.

But all that said, like @CST80 has mentioned, he's the only one whose completely and utterly destroyed Hammer. And Joyce was inactive prior to going into the fight

 

Plus he seems physically very youthful for his age. At nearly 37 his body is still young, still prime. All fighters peak and age differently and I think Joe's got a touch of the evergreen in him. 37 really is just a number in his case.

 

I know but at 36 he shouldn’t have waited almost a year to get in the ring again

 

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Joyce has not fight a good proved fighter yet in the pro. Dubois might be good but not pass real test also.
this is awful division where reputation building off most nothing

 

Possibly at his size bouncing around does more damage to himself than a few right hands from a late notice journeyman.

These stylistic guys are why the level just below the best is often the most entertaining in any sport. There is that extra split second of slack to allow for stylistics.

The question is always what will happen when the other guy is big and good too?

 

@CST80 Very good assessment. I agree with most of what you've written.

Joyce took me a while to figure out, especially since the first time I ever saw him in action I literally laughed out loud. He was that clumsy and oafish looking, and it's hard to shake that kind of first impression once it's been made. But when Joyce continued to win, and against some fairly solid opposition, I began to reassess him and break down what made him so effective. I confess I'm still a bit baffled what makes him so successful to the point that I can make detailed fight predictions with him and the best of the division, but in the main my conclusions are much the same as yours. Joyce is just an incredibly intimidating, constant pressure on opponents, and he imposes that pressure in the most awkward and off-setting manner possible.

You always hear people (some of whom should know better) talk about Joyce's lack of speed as if that's a huge impediment to him. But the thing they often don't take into account is that the speedsters in the division aren't uniformly fast, either on a round by round level or over the course of the fight. They need breaks while they mentally and physically regroup, and when they launch their attacks most like to be in a comfortable position to do so (on-balance, feet braced, able to smoothly transition into the attack etc). Joyce doesn't do that or allow you to do that. He's almost uniformly putting his opponent under the same low-level pressure all the time. That means that while the faster handed guys (who are around 90% of his opponents) might be able to sneak in a few good shots early on, as the fight wears on they're not getting those crucial reset periods they need, because every time they take a break there's a weird arm punchy demolition jab thudding into their face or body. People who've never fought or sparred competitively don't understand how mentally draining that is, never being able to get into your groove, and anything which is mentally draining is going to have a knock on effect everywhere else. That's why you often see even average boxers like Stiverne and Hammer have success with their shots early on, but gradually turn to dogsh** as the rounds wear on. They're not just being physically broken down, they're having their whole gameplan turned to mush by endless thudding shots to head and body at all angles and ranges.

Another thing which I think makes Joyce really hard to fight is that he has so little fear of his opponents' punches and is so physically massive that he can literally walk straight onto a shot as a means of landing his own. That also negates the speed differential somewhat. Most fighters, even the iron-jawed ones, mentally flinch or brace themselves a little when an attack is incoming which means you have certain safe periods when attacking where you know the opponent is going to be focused on backing up, blocking, parrying whatever. Joyce just doesn't do that. It's weird. He'll start throwing a big looping right hand which his opponent deftly counters, but rather than his shot whiffing short or aborting it'll still continue on its trajectory and catch the opponent before they can get back into a guard position. I've seen this happen a number of times in Joyce fights. It's like any landed shot just doesn't affect him barring knocking his head back a bit. Unless you're extremely fleet-footed and adept at lateral movement (like Usyk) you're simply not going to be able to stop him walking you down.

Yet another thing negating the speed differential: Joyce isn't as slow as he looks. And most importantly he knows how to vary his speed. Makhmudov does the same. It's an excellent strategy in a fight, to get an opponent used to a certain rhythm then switching it up when they're least expecting it. Does he have what it takes to beat the best in the division? Usyk no. AJ, depends on how his chin holds up to Juicy J's power. Fury, hard to say. I think Fury outboxes him but has a torrid time doing so. Everyone else he murks, arm-punching mummified slickness style.

 

I've got a funny feeling that's probably not the case with Joe mate.

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