Are the past Eras overrated or the new generation just not that good?

Some sure. But that doesn't matter. What the result was guys in better shape and with their technique much more solid. It's simple repetition.

Now guys are lucky to fight maybe twice a year....if that.

 

The best of the current crop are great, and I also believe that they’d be successful in any era.

Any great fighter would be successful in any era.

The best fighters of the 70’s and 80’s would be successful in this era.

I don’t agree with the generalisation that the current crop are all fitter and better trained though.

That’s just an assumption.

Yes, they were Loma’s, Usyk’s, GGG’s and Bivol’s etc, back then.

There’s always been great fighters in every era.

In the 70’s, we had Duran, Leonard, Benitez, Hagler, Monzon and Ali etc.

 

Then you know absolutely NOTHING about the sport.

It’s just staggering ignorance on your part.

Fights are determined on skills and attributes.

How they match up stylistically on the night.

Today’s guys aren’t all fitter and better than they were in past generations.


You’re either trolling or you haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about.

There’s a number of divisions today that are nowhere near as good as what they were 30-40 years ago.

If you want me to show you some lists for comparisons, I will do.

There’s many greats of the past who are better than some of today’s fighters.

There’s many greats of the past who would beat some of today’s guys.


Go and educate yourself instead of making ridiculous assumptions.


There’s been no progression in the sport for years.

 

Such a fool.

 

Any knowledgeable boxing fan knows that any fighter from any era, could beat any other fighter on any any given night, depending on how they’d have matched up stylistically.

I’m talking about any great fighter.

 

Exactly.

What it is, is an ignorant generalisation based upon advancements in sports science.

People are just assuming that all today’s guys are fitter.

No, they aren’t.

Fresher?

Yes.

However, not all of today’s guys take advantage of what’s available to them.

Like you say, many guys of the past lived in the gym and fought once per month.

They’d fight 3 fights in the same period as a guy today spends in his training camp.

 

Regarding the Loma's etc. I meant there were no pro Soviet or Cuban boxers.

Regarding fitter, for sure the training was different because they trained for longer bouts. Today it's not stamina
that's needed but explosive strength.

Surely you agree that advances in medicine, nutrition and just general knowledge about how the human body works
has advanced since the 1970's much less the early part of the 20th century.

 

once they are in the top 20.

 

Ray Robinson lost his undefeated record to the also great Jake Lamotta and three weeks later he fought him again and beat him.

Nowadays and just to use an example Anthony Joshua who has the looks of what ppl today refer to as a supreme athlete needs a year to fully prepare for a rematch with Usyk.

As for the fighting scrubs every month comment there were years where fighters like Ray Robinson fought more hall of famers in a year than most fighters today fight in their entire careers.

 

What are you basing your opinion on when it comes to fighters being more fit? AJ is fit, but gasses out. You think he could go a hard 15 rounds. Canelo, before his last fight, he was considered the top guy, an ATG. You think he could go a hard 15? Exercise is exercise. Whether a fighter chops wood or uses that double rope thing. Running 10 miles is 10 miles.

 

I hear you.

I thought that you were talking about the quality of the fighters.

Yes, there’s been advancements. But many fighters also still use old school training methods, and not every modern fighter takes advantage of everything that’s available to them.

Some of today’s so called superior athletes also have stamina issues.

Yes, there’s different views on nutrition, but a lot of the food was also cleaner back then.

At the end of the day, these can only aid a fighter so much.

Fights will always be won based upon skills and styles.

It’s the reason why AJ was embarrassed by a guy who has man boobs and eats snickers bars.

There’s just too many people which are looking at what you’ve said, but then making the assumption that because there’s been advancements in sports science, that the fighters today are somehow better.

They’re also comparing other sports, which are based more on power than technique.

They think that because today’s sprinters and swimmers are the fastest in history, that that somehow equates to boxing, where they assume that all of today’s top fighters are the best.

They can’t comprehend that there’s some greats of the past who would wreck some of today’s top fighters.

 

AJ is a poster child for how to NOT be a boxer. Muscles aren't that important in boxing....there are plenty of guys will little to no muscle definition who can bang.

 

Correct.

But before he lost to Ruiz, he was the poster boy of the modern HW.

He was the epitome of the supposed advanced new generation of HW’s.

The guy who looks aesthetically great.

The guy who put up fantastic numbers both in the gym and on the athletics track.

We had guys on here laughing at the notion that the HW’s of the past could beat him, due to advancements in sports science etc.

We had thread after thread.

AJ could embarrass Ali in a 100m sprint etc.

Nobody from the past could compete with him, due to this new era of strength and conditioning coaches etc.

Then it all came crashing down against a guy who had a worse physique than my Grandad.

 

Modern heavyweights are :

Bigger (because they measurably are)
Stronger (see above)
AND more talented (because larger gene AND knowledge pool)

Only Ameriburgers think otherwise.

 

More talented than who?

There’s talented HW’s in every era.