Are the past Eras overrated or the new generation just not that good?

Tf is this star sign BS haha
You gents are talking a lot of sense about boxing and then this gets thrown in. I must be missing something (I think I’m a cancer if that helps explain anything)

 

Do you have mental difficulties?
That's rhetorical....
Bigger and in some instances stronger (Not always the case by any stretch)
However being more talented from larger gene and knowledge pool is a double fallacy...
Are you related to shadow?
Sorry that was another rhetorical question...
Your falsly making a mental jump that a larger gene pool and knowledge are somehow part of a hive singular and that all participants are equally applying themselves. Firstly there maybe a larger pool but there's how many belt's now? Well what 4-5 main belts and double that for the others.
Also the gene pool premise only works if they all actually fight each other.....which they don't and Heavy is one of the worst divisions as literally only a couple of fighters who are taking all corners.
For instance Fury's resume is poor and Wilder's was laughable for a 5 year belt holder that means little context for comparison the "Yeah but they're bigger and would wreck anyone alltime" is flaccid and weak as until you beat other ATG's you're not really one yourself.
That's just the way it is. hypothetical is just that and meaningless. It's not like it's that weak an era but if half are ducking anyone with a pulse then that just leaves more questions than answers.
Lastly knowledge maybe technically there but like the better nutrition argument it's another fallacy. It's faulty logic to assume that everybody has the same resources it's also flawed thinking that either they either know everything or even all apply it.
So in short your post is not just factually wrong but you've managed to demonstrate multi faceted faulty logic.
Well done.

 

I still haven't read a single thing that would suggest our era of Today is better than Yesteryear's. We had Vargas and Wright fighting eachother on Boxing after Dark for free. It would've taken years for a fight of that calibre to get made today.

 

Forum IQ drops 50 points everytime a modern vs old fighter thread appears.

 

So 70s Foreman, Ali, Frazier, Holmes...

You honestly think, say, Joshua would take those guys.

 

humans have not evolved. training methods and monetary rewards for sports has. a great fighter from 50 years ago, would be even greater today. in boxing, the skill levels are measurable...to a trained eye. a trained eye can tell how well a fighter does specific things you know he has trained to do. of course, to the untrained eye, it looks like the 2 guys are just swinging till one guy gets lucky and lands one, and he scores. or something similar. so i can see that the majority of guys today are not as skilled as past eras. with few exceptions.
the most obvious example is the hw division. which makes sense, as they are the ones most affected by going from 15 to 12 rds. the critical endurance, and heart, that the last 3 rds of a 15 rounder required, was no longer needed. so the size and brute strength that kept the huge guys from keeping up with an athletic 220 pounder for 15 rds, now had the advantage. they did not need to be more skilled, they just needed to be the bigger rhino.
as far as modern sports science and medicine, as well as evolution and modern drugs and nutrition, it aint come as far as you think. ive posted this before, in a similar discussion, to stress that evolution is not happening how you think. this is a tribe that has remained largely isolated for hundreds of years. free of modern sports training methods, nutrition and medicine. yet they are churning out world level runners like your neighborhood churns out store clerks. How. how do your theories on evolution, and all things modern, explain their remarkable success? and how does your explanation tie in with what you believe about boxing?

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Julio Cesar Chavez speaks better than possibly every guy he ever fought. He clearly hasn’t declined at all.

 

I think even Andy Ruiz would take those guys lol

 

You’re failing to understand the difference between biological evolution and cultural evolution. Of course our biology has barely changed since Neanderthals.
The tribe is a perfect example of the same thing that results in exponential growth of the overall quality of boxing over the years. You have cultures for sports, that’s why you get these isolated places that produce a disproportional quantity of champions. When it’s your dominant sport and everyone plays it then you have a far greater talent pool and local competition to develop against - see Cuba with baseball and boxing. See the running tribes example.

Now scale culture up to the Information Age. That’s why boxing improves rapidly. It has absolutely nothing to do with biology. Advances in science and nutrition aren’t changing genotypes - these are simply phenotypical advances in physiology. Internet culture spreads that knowledge, it only takes a seed somewhere. The global nature of culture is what rapidly improves the quality of a sport. Of course at the basic level no one is physically superior to anyone from 200 years ago. It’s the ability to express that physicality, and the skills and popularity of sports have worldwide coverage now - a global culture of comparison and drive. It’s simply nonsensical to pretend that boxing isn’t far advantaged compared to 30 years ago. Before then - how does Bam Bam get exposure to Lomachenko? Maybe it hurts for the boxing sentimentalists out there but that’s the cold hard facts of the matter.

 

no. like i said, skill level is measurable. if you know what youre measuring. and if, as i said, and you agreed, we havent changed biologically, then the skill level i saw in the past, would dominate today. aside from a select few, who stand out as elite.
i understand your need to have your heroes be better than, or at least equal to, your daddies heroes. but sometimes things just dont work out that way. thats just reality.

 

Hahaha that’s accurate gotdammit