Are the past Eras overrated or the new generation just not that good?

How do you quantify skill? It’s just the eye test and movement. How can you watch a fighter like Bam Bam or Lomachenko, the skilled precision and power of a Beterbiev or Inoue, the movement of heavyweights like Usyk and Fury and think that guys like SRR or Ali would be anything but easy work if they found themselves transported to today?
What old school fighters show skills that are missing today? He sport works, if something isn’t used for an advantage then it is lost. That’s evolution within a sport. Don’t conflate that with biological evolution, that’s what is muddying your thinking about this. And biological evolution has nothing to do with the fact that fighters today are physically superior - that’s culture influencing phenotypes - expression of physicality that was latent among those with archaic training practices and subpar nutrition. Life expectancy increasing doesn’t mean that humans are evolving - do you understand?

 

I don’t know where you’re getting the May 24 from. If that’s what I put when I signed up here that’s just because I always put random dates for birthday whenever I sign up for any forum/website. I’m late June, but didn’t star sign dates shift a few years back?

 

Those guys (Wright in particular) weren’t big names at the time. What do you think makes that fight such a high standard?

 

How do you beat ATGs in your own era? Every generation views their current fighters as bums who couldn’t hang with the boxers they idolized growing up.
Of course someone like Fury would toy with a fighter like Ali or Frazier, how is that even debatable for anyone? Usyk would toy with both of those guys as well, the difference in skill with modern boxing is too much. We can just watch videos. Do you not see how crude guys like Frazier and Foreman are? They don’t have boxing skills. They’d get yelled at by a coach today for all their poor habits.

 

All it takes to end this discussion.
Watch a highlight video of Ali vs Frazier (take your pick on the fight).
Watch a highlight video of Usyk vs Joshua.

If you can’t see the night and day difference you don’t know boxing. Look at how slow Ali and Frazier are. Look at how they have no concept of a feint, control of range, defense. Joshua and Usyk are bigger and far more technical, precise and on their toes. Look at the parries and punches that the old timers lack. It’s not even a debate, the videos show how poor the old time ‘elites’ were. Imagine you’d never heard of Frazier and Ali, imagine they were just two prospects you’ve never heard of before. Watch the footage and you’d think they were going to max out at the journeyman level. That’s because that is their level today.

 

Err you fight the very best in your era. the likes of Wilder and Fury have clearly skipped most of their contempories.
So your telling me the mythical Fury that never really existed toys with Ali and Frazier? Fury from the Vlad fight had an extremely low output and didn't come close to stopping Vlad. Only Fury from the 22nd Wilder fight was any good on an offense level. showboating doesn't score points in the scoring zone . Fury barely trains in most fights and his output is very low just being bigger than most isn't sufficient to give him such a high rating hypothetically because he has barely showed showed it.
Also the fact you think even boxers from the 70's have no skills tells me you're either trolling or literally started watching 5 years ago.
Personally I think it's both...

 

Haha ****, we should have played that game. What gives off cancer vibes? I won’t be offended by anything, I’m curious

 

Actual nonsense I could barely read.

We'll skip all of your mental gymnastics and whether or not you know what logic is, and I'll try and address the crux.

Top 10 heavies ARE on average BIGGER and STRONGER, EVERY generation.

Why?

 

oh, i understand. im trying to get you to understand, yourself. thats what the video was about. how these squash eating indians, who wouldnt know what a protein shake is, are beating the top runners from most countries. while running in sandals. thats right, theyre beating nikes best running on pig skins and chunks of tires. all the modern training methods and nutrition cant overcome the simple habit of running. such as the simple habit of fighting. 10, 12 or more times a year.
as far as what specific things are measurable, everything. ive described boxing before as a dance. for every lead step the agressor takes, theres a reactive step taken by the defender. every move has a counter move. and just like in a dance, you can tell which dancer is too good and which one cant keep up. and in a fight the dance sometimes changes. depends on who can force their tune on the other. and sometimes fighters are only great at one tune. think of the first jab as the first step. there are various reactive steps one can take to keep up with that first step jab, depending on what your strengths and strategy are. getting hit by that jab says you screwed up the first step. you cant keep up. thats measurable. how you deal with it, is also.

 

Who have Wilder and Fury skipped? You mean like Holyfield missing prime Tyson? Or Lewis not fighting Bowe? Remind me of the guys the Klits fought again?
Top cruiserweights today toy with Ali and Frazier. You can watch video of Frazier and Ali. They are poor boxers, terrible athletes. Just look at how slow and sloppy they both are.
You know how a prospect looks like a million dollars against an unskilled guy? That’s why a skilled guy (for 70s standards) would stand out against a top contender (often a punching bag who could outlast others). I’ve been watching boxing for decades now. Even if I hadn’t, YouTube exists. That’s why you can see for yourself how low level the ‘elite’ boxing of the 60s and 70s was.

 

Hahahaha I’ll try and tone it down a bit, cheers. I’m going to call it passion and enthusiasm instead

 

Look logic is important but size is only one asset. Also I would argue that your statement simply isn't true when we look at certain individuals who had freak strength in earlier era's. Also the biggest attributes are skill and determination.

The fact you think all knowledge is applied and therefore universal is you not understanding what a fallacy is. I never claimed the older fighters were better I was correctly pointing out it isn't as simplistic as simpletons like yourself would assert.