Are the past Eras overrated or the new generation just not that good?

Your trying to deflect again so let me help you out....
Lewis started his pro career five years after Tyson and Holyfield.
That's context you clown.
That's why he fought them later in there careers however Lewis did everyone other than Bowe in a deeper era. Therefore he's far better tested against the top guys than any heavy today.
My point is and has been very clear from my first post on this thread. It's you who's struggling with reading comprehension.
So for the last time......there's little context for this era's Heavies because some like Wilder and Fury have not fought any of the other current top guys in the division..
That surely cannot be difficult even for a spastic like you to understand....

 

Now you are talking about size.

 

All I know is in the past there was only one Championshiop title and one champion.

Nowadays you have the alphabet soup of multiple boxing organizations and that has cheapened the sport.

Today you see title holders who would be at best fringe contenders in another era. It seems like anybody with a beating pulse gets a championship.

Sure here and there you see some real HOF or even ATG material, but for me the current era overall is a very mediocre one.

 

I think a bit of both

 

Yea but Shakur beat Herring and Valdez. That’s definitely top 20 all time status.

 

Oh no doubt.

 

First of all, I want to give huge thanks to you. Because I’ve read your comments on my lunch break earlier today, and your posts have literally made me laugh out loud.

It’s one of the finest lunch breaks that I’ve had this year.

Your posts are absolutely hilarious.

Now, I’m honestly not sure if you’re trolling or not, as it’s getting harder to tell on here. A few years ago, I had a very good radar for it. But now, it’s gotten much more difficult to decipher these kinds of posts.

If you are trolling, then honestly, fair play to you.

Almost all of them are 5 star posts.

Outstanding.

However, if you’re actually serious, step away from your keyboard, take a break, and go and enjoy Wimbledon and the Tour De France instead.

This sport isn’t for you.

It’s far too complicated for you to take onboard.


Now, first of all, I’m no nostalgia nut.

I appreciate today’s great fighters. We’re very lucky to have them. But all I’m saying, is that although we have seen the sport progress, it doesn’t continually progress as time goes by. It’s not a continuous cycle, where we can see the sport progress each decade. And I know that, as again, there’s many divisions today that aren’t as good as what they were 30-40 years ago.

The sport has not progressed from the 90’s.

If you don’t believe me, then just do some divisional comparisons yourself.

Now great fighters are great fighters.

Great fighters would have success in any era.

They would simply win some and lose some, against other great fighters, based upon how they matched up stylistically.

It’s that simple.

Not every great fighter of the past would beat every great fighter of today.

It would be incredibly ignorant to claim that.

Likewise, it would also be incredibly ignorant to claim that every great fighter today would beat every great fighter of the past.

It simply wouldn’t be possible, as there’s no such thing as the perfect fighter.

No great fighter could ever remain undefeated, if he fought every other great fighter in history, in an and around his weight class. Because every fighter in history has a stylistic nemesis. Every single one of them.

If you had a huge tournament with modern greats vs the older greats, not all of the older greats would win, and not all of the modern greats would win. The results would simply be mixed, again, depending on how they matched up stylistically.

Styles make fights.

Now if you don’t understand that, there’s simply no point in continuing to support the sport.

It would simply be a complete waste of your time.

 

True World Titles are much easier to Win in this Era because there are so many different Titles....Call it Nostalgia or living in the past if you like but if a lot of Great fighters from the past were fighting now a huge percentage would have one of these Dodgy World Titles.!!!

 

You’ve not explained anything to anybody.

In the early 90’s, you had a pre-prison version of Mike. He’d taken his eye off the ball and lost his focus. But he was still a great fighter, and he’d clearly be a top 5 HW today. The versions who fought Ruddock would be enough to take out most of today’s division. He then spent almost half a decade away from the sport, where he came back as a much lesser fighter.

Evander wasn’t just a battler. Evander was and is, an ATG HW.

Lennox was a fine fighter. One of the greatest HW’s of all time.

Bowe was a fine fighter, but he didn’t have longevity, where he faded at the mid point of the era. However, in the early half of the 90’s, he was a great HW, and again, another guy who’d be a top 5 guy today.


Now let me help you with YOUR psychological issues:

Let me break this to you gently.

Today’s era looks to have TWO EXCEPTIONAL fighters in Usyk and Fury, with the rest being second raters, who were no better than the best of the rest of the 90’s.

Tyson and Usyk are outstanding boxers, and IMHO, they’d do well in any era.

However, after that, there’s a deep drop.

AJ is a good fighter, but no better than the best guys of the 90’s. He was turned upside down by a snickers eating B level HW with man boobs, who isn’t half the fighter that a guy like Mike was in his prime.

We have Wilder. A great power puncher, but a guy who is extremely vulnerable when he hasn’t got the opportunity to land it, due to a poor overall skill set. A guy who’s struggled with C level guys.


Now we’ll do a quick comparison, THIRTY ONE years APART, and being the genius that you are, you can explain to us all where the PROGRESSION has been.


We’ll use the Ring’s ratings, unless you have an issue with that.


Here are the current ratings from the Ring:

Tyson Fury
Oleksandr Usyk
Anthony Joshua
Deontay Wilder
Joseph Parker
Dillian Whyte
Andy Ruiz
Luis Ortiz
Joe Joyce
Filip Hrgovic
Frank Sanchez


Here are the Ring’s annual ratings for 1991:

Evander Holyfield
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
Riddick Bowe
Ray Mercer
George Foreman
Tony Tucker
Tim Witherspoon
Razor Ruddock
Michael Moorer


THIRTY ONE YEARS between them.

Where’s the PROGRESSION??

Why isn’t laughable to even compare the eras??

Now, not only has there not been any clear progression between the above groups, most posters on here would state that the early 90’s group were actually the better group between them as a whole.

 

This is all you could muster as a reply, simply because you have no knowledge of the sport pre-90.


So I’ll say it again:

There were pre-90’s divisions which were better than some of today’s divisions.

There were pre 90’s fighters which were better than some of today’s fighters.


If you don’t agree, then go and educate yourself and see.

 

I’ve already told you that great fighters are great fighters.

Great fighters would excel in any era of the sport.

Only journeyman fighters of old would be journeyman fighters today.


It’s statements like these, which are so ridiculous, people can only assume that you’re on a fishing expedition because you’re bored.

You must be casting out the bait and then trying to reel us in for your own amusement. Because no knowledgeable fan would ever think like this.


Again, there’s many great fighters of the past who would beat the best fighters of today.

Some of today’s best guys haven’t even beaten any great fighters themselves, where they’ve also lost to non great fighters.


These kinds of statements from you can’t even be taken seriously at all.

 

The sport has regressed over the last 30 years ago.

More titles, more weight classes, more org’s, more politics and less activity.

Have the fighters gotten better and more skilled?

No.

You want proof?

Fine.

Go and do 30 year comparisons between today’s HW, MW and SMW divisions, with the ones from the early 90’s.

Those 3 divisions have all regressed.

The modern groups aren’t as good as the groups from 30 years ago.

If you don’t agree, then I’ll post up the lists for you.

Then you can try and explain what has happened.

 

Oh my.

If something isn’t used anymore, it’s not needed?

SMH.


Since no new techniques have been invented for decades, and there’s only so many punches that a fighter can use, then at some point in a fight, the guys of today are going to be faced with the same choices that the guys of the past were faced with. And that’s exactly what’s happened. Many times. Because only so many things can happen in a boxing ring.

Now I have personally seen SOME guys of today, even world class ones, NOT utilise the best choices in certain positions and situations. And I’ve been studying the sport for 30 years.

I’ve seen SOME guys of today pass up the opportunity of throwing uppercuts when their opponents were absolutely open for them.

I’ve seen SOME guys of today pass up the opportunity of throwing body shots when their opponents were absolutely open for them.

We’ve seen guys like Wlad hold on for dear life, instead of utilising any in-fighting abilities.

I’ve seen guys have tough fights, where if they’d have utilised different skills, the fights would have been much easier for them.


The more you type, the more you embarrass yourself.


Beterbiev has had 18 fights and hasn’t beaten any great fighters.

Loma took the Salido fight too early and lost. He’s also recently lost against Teo and has not beaten any great fighters.

Usyk is a great fighter, but he’s only had 3 fights at HW, where he’s never beaten a great fighter.


So your opinion of them beating other great fighters with absolute ease carries no weight whatsoever.

They have beaten NO great fighters, and have even LOST to NON great ones.

Also, they couldn’t beat EVERY great fighter of the past, as again, EVERY fighter in the history of the sport, had/has a stylistic nemesis.

Again, it would simply not be possible for even a great fighter to be able to beat every great fighter in and around their weight class.


If you are being genuine here, then you are an utter embarrassment.

 

You’re on a roll aren’t you.

What difference in skill?

They are immensely skilled fighters in EVERY ERA.

Again, great fighters are great fighters.

Again, if you were to put a whole mix of great fighters both past and present into a huge tournament, then it would simply yield mixed results, depending on how they matched up stylistically.


Roberto Duran beat a prime Ray Leonard.

Ray Leonard knocked out Thomas Hearns.

Yet Thomas Hearns knocked out Roberto Duran.

STYLES.


Where have you got this notion, that skill levels keeps improving?

There’s no MW today with the technical skills of Mike McCallum and Sumbu Kalambay.

There’s no SMW today with the skills of James Toney and Roy Jones.


Usyk would not toy with Ali.

Ali had incredible hand and foot speed, with great timing and accuracy, with a unique, orthodox style.

Ali vs Usyk would be a great technical fight, where they’d have played chess and gone feint for feint.


Tyson Fury will tell you himself that Steve Cunningham gave him a very hard stylistic fight. And that was just from his upper body movement.

Tyson Fury would have had a very difficult night with Ali’s footwork.


Frazier and Foreman weren’t technicians, but again, it’s how they all match up stylistically.

Usyk could have more trouble with a lesser fighter than a high level technician.

Again, styles.

Every fighter has a certain style issue.

It’s why Floyd Mayweather embarrassed Canelo, but then struggled with a crude Maidana just 8 months later.