coming back after a knockdown to win a decision

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  1. escudo

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  2. Barrf

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    Holmes-Shavers 2.

    edit: nope, that was a TKO. I'll leave this up as a monument to my posting before being fully awake.
     
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  3. Dynamicpuncher

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    That was a stoppage win not a decision.
     
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  5. Barrf

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    You're right. Apparently I haven't had my coffee today.
     
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  6. KasimirKid

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    All from memory except Castilloux-Bratton. I did a lot of research on Chicago boxing in the 30s and 40s in writing the Hurley trilogy, and I figured Bratton would be a good bet for having survived a knockdown and coming back to win so I looked him up on Boxrec. Surprisingly, it was Castilloux who came back to defeat Bratton after a knockdown. Bratton was too tough for his own good. Broken jaw three times. The beating he took in his third fight with Gavilan fried his brain, literally.

    Yeah, I'm an archive guy. I don't follow boxing much after 1980. Just listing the champions from the alphabet era which I have never seen fight would fill a book, including many really big names. I try to stay out of discussions concerning topics about which I know nothing.
     
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  8. Mike Cannon

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    You sound like my type of guy, good to have a common trait, I to try not to to use the Web when posting my comments on fighters of times gone by, I might get dates wrong sometimes, but do not see this as that important, nice to chat, let's do again.
    stay safe buddy.
     
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  9. Eddie Ezzard

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    ?

    Kinchen, maybe?
     
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  10. Saintpat

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    Did Kinchen drop him or just wobble him?
     
  11. JabbaTheGut

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    Your correct i got them mixed up
     
  12. Dynamicpuncher

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    Dropped him also I've seen @JohnThomas1 say before there was something controversial about this fight, regarding Kinchen doing something illegal. I can't remember exactly what it was maybe he can fill us in on details.
     
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  13. Saintpat

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    You are correct on the knockdown, I had remembered Hearns being close to stopped but not that he tasted canvas.

    And I did a quick search and found this thread: https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/thomas-hearns-vs-james-kinchen-of-1988-classic.343258/page-2

    In it, @JohnThomas1 says Kinchen tested positive for the painkiller Lidocaine after the fight. I’d like to know more.
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

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    I remember reading it in an old mag or even a couple of them.

    Here's a snippet i found online (boxing news uk). Bizarre that not one but two tested positive on the same card.

    ROBERT HINES was tested positive for a
    pain-killing drug after his win over Matthew
    Hilton to become IBF light-middleweight champion
    on November 4, the Nevada State Athletic
    Commission said last week.
    Hines was found to have taken the drug
    lidocaine. Another fighter on the Las Vegas card,
    James Kinchen. also tested positive for lidocaine
    after his fight with Thomas Hearns, which he lost
    on a split decision.

    LA times -

    Robert Hines tested positive for lidocaine, a painkilling drug, after winning the International Boxing Federation junior middleweight title from Matthew Hilton, boxing officials said in Las Vegas.

    Another fighter on the card, James Kinchen, also testified positive for lidocaine after losing his 12-round fight to Thomas Hearns.

    Here's an eye opener - Honeyghan also tested positive for the Starling fight and the fine for Kinchen also shown -

    Indeed, Duff suggested that it may be time for his man to walk away from the sport. Starling was in pole position for a third meeting with Breland – Mark had picked up the vacant WBA title by defeating Seung-Soon Lee on the undercard of Marlon's win. Honeyghan's woes were doubled when he failed the post-fight drugs test. Lidocaine, a form of pain killer, was found in his system, leading to talk of a ban.

    “Lloyd may have used a similar substance to Lidocaine, although I'm not exactly aware of what he took or whether it was in tablet form or an injection. But we're not talking World War III here. It's not a major substance like a steroid or cocaine. All pain-killers are banned, but this particular one does not have any performance-enhancing qualities. If anything it is more of a downer than an upper,” sighed Duff when hit with the latest bit of bad news (The Times, February 18 1989).

    Starling may have won the battle, but Honeyghan was still in the Breland race. Duff cleared up the mess caused by the failed drugs test, pointing out that Lloyd was facing the prospect of a ban and hefty fine yet Robert Hines and James Kinchen had only been fined $750 when found to have Lidocaine in their system.

    The Nevada State Athletic Commission has set a tentative Dec. 16 hearing to decide what action, if any, to take against Hines and Kinchen.

    One starts to wonder if something else is going on and the lidocaine positives are from something else.

     
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