the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Ahh ok thanks for the heads up i just edited my scorecard, so now i guess i have Muhammad edging the fight by 1 point.

 

EMM is one of the most frustrating fighters in my lifetime.

All that skill and a lot of times it looks like he just can’t be arsed to throw punches. Or get in shape. Or show up with a mind to fight.

James Scott all but ran him out of the ring. We found out Scott was more special than we knew at the time, but Eddie barely put up a fuss. He had a second shot at Spinks and just … decided not to make weight.

What a waste.

 

Jorge Paez vs Lupe Gutierrez

1 Paez
2 Gutierrez
3 Paez
4 Paez
5 Paez
6 Paez TKO

49-46 Paez

I always enjoy Jorge Paez fights very entertaining IMO, although i know he's not everyone's cup of tea. Overall this was a pretty good fight the 1st round was very exciting, one of the better opening rounds you'll see. After Paez come out like a whirling dervish in the opening round, he decided he wanted to let Gutierrez lead, and to Gutierrez's credit he had some decent moments in rounds 2-3. Landing some good shots and backing up Paez on the ropes. But honestly Paez never really looked in trouble, and you could just see he was biding his time.

Paez rocked Gutierrez at the end of the 4th round, and even landing a sneaky one after the bell. Which prompted one of Gutierrez cornermen to come in and complain, who was 6'6 i might add and looked a scary fellow. But after the 4th round when he rocked Gutierrez, Paez was in complete control landing hard shots when he wanted, and making Gutierrez miss anytime he threw with his underrated defence.

The 6th round Paez really started to put a beating on Gutierrez, who's nose was also busted and bleeding and may of been broken. After quite an onslaught from Paez Mills Lane finally stopped the fight, i thought the fight could of been stopped a bit sooner but overall it was the correct stoppage.

Decent fight with a great opening round, and Paez doing what he does clowning, some rough stuff, and some pretty entertaining boxing in the midst of it.

 

Victor Galindez v Marvin Johnson (light heavyweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Johnson
Round 2: 10-9 Galindez
Round 3: 10-9 Johnson
Round 4: 10-9 Galindez
Round 5: 10-9 Johnson
Round 6: 10-9 Johnson
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Johnson
Round 9: 10-9 Johnson
Round 10: 10-9 Johnson
Round 11: Johnson drops and stops Galindez

Total through 10 completed rounds: 98-93 Johnson (actual scores: 98-94, 98-94 and 96-95 all for Johnson)

This was a fight I really never wanted to see again. I was a big Galindez fan back in the day and it killed me to see him go out like this. He got a few licks in but his day had passed. Still, enjoying going over such a great era at 175.

 

This fight will be on my list of 25 best KOs for @Rumsfeld — tinkering with order but I think it will be pretty high, top half right now.

Marvin absolutely ended him.

I know you said you’re a big Galindez fan but after what he pulled when the Rossman rematch was originally scheduled (literally refusing to come out while Rossman was literally waiting in the ring as I understand it) he should have been banned from championship competition for the rest of his career.

So as far as what he got here, I say good for him.

 

I know what you're saying. I remember tuning in to ABC for that fight and my mouth hanging open as they stated this fight will not be happening. I agree, for a promotion, a TV network and the monies lost, there should have been repurcussions and solely on the part of Galindez. The WBA probably did very little to him. He was a favored son. But I would love to see the language on the fight contract. Shouldn't that have been all ironed out with the signing? But be that as it may, I just loved his certifiable bada$$ness in the ring and the way he carried himself. Seeing him lose to Rossman in the first fight was akin to seeing Ali and Cervantes lose. They were all champs for such a long period of time that they appeared like they would hold it forever. Of course, that was my immature response at the time.

 

The final of my Galindez/Gregory/Johnson round-robin.

Marvin Johnson v Eddie Gregory (light heavyweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Johnson
Round 2: 10-9 Johnson
Round 3: 10-8 Gregory (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: 10-9 Johnson
Round 5: 10-9 Johnson
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Gregory
Round 8: 10-9 Gregory
Round 9: 10-9 Gregory
Round 10: 10-9 Gregory
Round 11: Gregory stops Johnson

Total through 10 completed rounds: 96-94 Gregory (actual scores: 98-96, 99-94 and 97-93 all for Gregory)

You know, I hate to use the term 'lazy fighter', so I won't. But Gregory - soon to become Eddie Mustafa Muhammad - was one of the most disinterested fighters I've seen. He would fight with no urgency at all, but man, could he hit when he would let the punches fly. Johnson, for his part, fought exactly as he knew how, throw punches until told to stop. He out-worked Gregory in so many of the rounds before Eddie's crisp, but sparingly thrown, shots started to take their toll. If anyone doubts what I say, go no further than the 10th round. Gregory hurts Johnson, starts to lay into him, and then takes his foot off the gas and goes back into la-la land. For the first minute and a half I was leaning towards a 10-8 round for the battering he was administering before letting Johnson back into the fray. A very frustrating fighter, but impressive when he let the punches go.

 

Leo Cruz W15 Sergio Palma

Isn’t it great when you happen upon a fight you knew of but literally never read about, even on threads like this one, and it turns out to be a new favorite? That happened to me today. Pretty cool.

What a terrific fight. These two had met before, with Palma taking a 15-round decision in defense of his WBA Junior-featherweight title the year before; this was Cruz’s third attempt at a title, having succumbed to the sensational Wilfredo Gomez in 13 in his first go, then the aforementioned decision loss to Palma. I’d love to see the first fight between these two for comparison, but will be content with this for a while.

Both were rugged boxer-punchers with Palma looking more the stereotypical block-like Argentine (which, conveniently enough, he happened to be). He looked more powerful initially, but frankly neither possessed real power, despite what one may have taken from Palma’s bloodletting of Leo Randolph in winning the title. This was fifteen rounds of great infighting, just two guys standing shoulder to shoulder and slugging the whole way. Immense credit to their conditioning and grit, they both deserved plaudits for their respective performances.

To be honest, Palma looked as though he may have had some trouble making weight, he had all the earmarks of such a condition; seemingly a step behind in the early going, then a brief rally mid-fight, then the energy wanes and the other guy takes over again, we’ve all seen this a million times. It played out here, and while my own scorecard may have been a no-doubter for Cruz, it belies just how competitive almost each round was. If Palma was weight-drained, kudos to him for his grit, he hung in there. Cruz, despite his amazing workrate (Punchstat machine would have blown up had there been such a thing then) wasn’t breathing through his mouth between the 14th and 15th round, which was downright Sanchezlike.

Amazing fight, I highly recommend it if you haven’t already. One of my new favorites.

1. Cruz
2. Cruz
3. Palma
4. Cruz
5. Cruz
6. Cruz
7. Cruz
8. Palma
9. Palma
10. Palma
11. Even
12. Cruz
13. Cruz
14. Cruz
15. Palma

145-141 Cruz.

 

Sal, checked this out a few months back. I agree with everything you said. Here is what I wrote:

Sergio Palma v Leo Cruz II (super bantamweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Cruz
Round 3: 10-9 Palma
Round 4: 10-9 Cruz
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Cruz
Round 7: 10-9 Cruz
Round 8: 10-9 Palma
Round 9: 10-9 Palma
Round 10: 10-9 Cruz
Round 11: 10-9 Cruz
Round 12: 10-9 Cruz
Round 13: 10-9 Cruz
Round 14: 10-9 Cruz
Round 15: 10-9 Palma

Total: 146-141 Cruz (actual scores: 149-140, 146-143 and 147-144 all for Cruz)

I didn't feel confident picking the winner of a round until the 6th round. Those first 5 were so tight. This fight was just like I remembered it, fought at a break neck speed. Sal, if you haven't seen them, also check out Palma v Cardona II and Cruz v Loris Stecca. You'll love them.

 

Pretty close, our cards were. I'll definitely give those others a look.

 

Carl Froch v Robin Reid (British super middleweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Froch
Round 3: 10-8 Froch (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-8 Froch (scores a knockdown)
Reid is retired between rounds

Total through 5 completed rounds: 50-45 Froch (actual scorecards not known)

To begin, this was a 26 year old Froch against a 36 year old Reid. I was hoping for one of those wonderful hot domestic scraps we got over the years from the UK, but it really wasn't. Reid got in a few licks but his time had passed. Wouldn't be recommending you go out of your way to see it.

 

Reid was past it and had no fire anymore to put up a decent fight, if you want to see a decent early Froch fight. If i remember rightly Froch vs Magee was a decent fight and competitive aswell one of Froch's tougher fights.

 

Robin at his best was no Batman. Sidekick material. Game but not overly gifted or troublesome.

 

I just watched Tate vs. Weaver for the first time in a long time. It's funny what mind your tricks play on you. For starters I thought it was a much more competitive fight. That may be just seeing the scorecards going into the 15th. Weaver had long stretches of ineffectiveness.

Also for some reason I thought the ko was more of a ref stoppage. I forgot that it was such an emphatic ending. Weaver landed 2 solid punches it seemed the whole night. The first one sent big Tate running to survive one of the middle rounds and the second ended his night just short if the finish line.

 

Mike, rescored this about a year ago and I had the same questions that you did. Here is what I wrote:

John Tate v Mike Weaver

Saw this live in '80, but always wanted to check it out again due to the official scorecards being rather close and I never remembered it being that close. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Tate
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Tate
Round 4: 10-9 Tate
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Tate
Round 7: 10-9 Tate
Round 8: 10-9 Tate
Round 9: 10-9 Tate
Round 10: 10-9 Tate
Round 11: 10-9 Tate
Round 12: 10-8 Weaver (no knockdowns but a very dominant round)
Round 13: 10-9 Tate
Round 14: 10-9 Tate (scored this round Even but Weaver docked a point for a low blow)
Round 15: Weaver KO's Tate

Total through 14 completed rounds: 138-129 Tate (actual cards: 138-133, 137-134 and 136-133 all for Tate)

I think I gave Weaver credit for everything, even re-watching the 5th after commentator Keith Jackson said the 5th was a good round for Weaver. I don't like second-guessing myself, but I was really bending over backwards here to see any question on a round. BTW, I came to my same conclusion that the 5th was Even. Anyways, suffice to say that I thought Tate was running away with this. For such a big man, he really was agile, mobile and had a brilliant assortment of punches while Weaver fought a 'I hope to catch him' kind of a fight. This fight was Tate's professional demise, however, as that left hook in the 15th had a cerebral effect on him, which made him fragile thereafter. It happened to Bramble against Rosario and Cuevas against Hearns. The jaw just wasn't there anymore. A pity. He was poised for a Holmes fight and that could have been something.