Gene Tunney's decision to fight Heeney instead of Sharkey in finale

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  1. SuzieQ49

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    "During the run up to the Tunney-Heeney fight on July 26, 1928, most reporters thought Tunney would not even break a sweat while beating Heeney to a pulp. For Tunney to make any money from the fight, he had to convince sportswriters and fight fans that Heeney was not just a quick trip to the bank. Tunney asked Steve Hannagan to counter the suspicions of the sportswriters, who were depressing the gate by their claims the fight was not worth seeing. Steve agreed to provide six weeks of his time for $ 1,500. One sportswriter said that Steve's publicity campaign for Tunney was the "most difficult assignment Hannagan ever had."
     
  2. BitPlayerVesti

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    So, like Tunney said there was a lack of exciting challengers.

    Glad we've all agreed.
     
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    So, Sharkey shouldn't have fought Risko, but Heeney should have fought Risko, even though both Tunney and Heeney had already beat him?

    Sharkey probably fought Risko because he was coming off a loss and a draw, and needed a credible win to get back in contention.
     
  4. SuzieQ49

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    Great Point.

    Let's not forget Heeney's manager being told he must honor the Risko II Agreement or stand on the sidelines. Then a week later, Heeney's manager shows up unannounced in Miami to crash a Tunney and Rickard meeting. A day later, Rickard announces Heeney has been chosen as Tunney's opponent. Heeney's manager, Rickard, Tunney all deny to newspapers they met together in private. Whatever happened in that room.... Risko got boned.

    Agree on everything you said about Sharkey. Tunney was no dummy, he handpicked Heeney for a reason. Interestingly enough, Tunney also stated in his biography he was getting annoyed by all the challenges he was getting from Sharkey. Tunney was discussing greek mythology with a reporter and said "Now Ajax was a big powerful man without Brains, like Jack Sharkey"
     
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    Tunney's victory over Risko happened 3 years ago, when Risko himself said "I was just out of the amateurs and have improved a lot since". Also, Risko had pushed Tunney to a very competitive fight. He proved he could be competitive in a rematch.


    "Rickard and Muldoon decided a Heeney-Risko match was the best way forward. Harvey said 'But Tom had already beaten Risko. So Rickard and Mundoon want Risko and Heeney do they? Well, Heeney wants Tunney.' Garden Matchmaker Jess McMahon was indignant. 'Heeney only drew with Sharkey, and Risko defeated Sharkey. Risko has beaten Jack Delaney, Paulino Uzcudun, and Jack Sharkey, three men who are listed among the best in the division. If Harvey wants to compare records, Risko has a better one than Henney. Heeney lost and drew with Uzcudun, Risko beat the Basque decisively. Harvey is changing his tune. He wouldn't fight Delaney until I signed an agreement to match the winner with the winner of the Sharkey-Risko fight. Now, He's trying to back out of it. The title shot continued to elude Heeney and neither Rickard nor the Commission wanted him in the ring with Tunney. But there was one very influential person on Heeney's side: The champion himself. "
     
  6. Jason Thomas

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    No. What I said is if Risko was eliminated by Heeney, Sharkey should have been re-matched with Heeney. If Heeney won that one he would have had a strong case. As is, he backed in. He didn't beat Sharkey, Uzcudun, or Scott. Risko did. Heeney went 0-3-2 against those three men. The whole Heeney case rests on that win over Risko the previous year before Risko eliminated the top contenders.
     
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    Wow Risko himself said he was better than when he lost to an injured Gene Tunney!!!

    There's no conceivable reason for him to say that unless it was true.

    The Brooklyn Daily Eagle- 1928 Mar 14
    By W. C. VREELAND.
    "I HAVE attended all the fights between heavyweights in the last 35 years, but I swear I won't look at one if it is arranged between Tunney and Risko"
    The speaker was one of the great unknowns who had witnessed the Sharkey-Risko. He was one of the great unknowns who had witnessed the Sharkey-Risko bout. He was a man well on in years and well off in this world's good, if good clothing is a true indication of a fat bank account. He had occupied a ringside seat, two rows behind His Honor the Mayor.
    As he left the side entrance which opens out on 49th st., he expressed himself so that all and sundry of his friends—and there were a number of men in the party—could hear.
    The man was florid of face. Whether he was naturally so or from the heat of his blood over the prospects of Johnny Risko being selected as an opponent for Gene Tunney, I know not. But judging by his words, he didn't relish any such thought for the future—a fight between Tunney and Risko for the heavyweight championship.
    SPEAKS for Thousands.
    AND that unknown was spokeman for man other men who discussed the Risko-Sharkey bout on their homeward journey Monday night.
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    And if Heeney and Risko fight, will that mean an honest-to-goodness opponent for Gene? Not much. Neither would pull a corporal's guard to the gate.
    Better Dempsey, half blind, than Heeney or Risko. Dempsey is a fighting man.
     
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    We know Jack Sharkey could excite. He had excited before showcasing his talents in front of huge crowds in New York

    Risko proved 3 years earlier he could be very competitive with Tunney and had a better record than Heeney with superior results vs common opponents.


    If Tunney had chosen Godfrey, I'm wondering if you truly think a 6'3 235lb heavyweight whom packed a huge punch, possessed speed and strength...would be viewed as "not an exciting challenger". Tunney never fought a man taller, bigger, stronger than him. Ultimately, Godfrey was black. Gene not only was a snob, but also a racist.
     
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    Bingo
     
  10. Jason Thomas

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    No question Risko had improved significantly.

    He was erratic all the way up to the loss to Jimmy Slattery on 3/28/1927.

    Risko then turned it around. Over the next year, through the victory over Sharkey, he fought 17 times and went 15-1-1, losing only to Heeney after but 13 days rest between fights, while defeating Delaney, Uzcudun, Scott, and Sharkey.

    In the 17 fights prior to fighting Tunney in 1925, Risko went 11-6. He lost to Quinton Romero, Sully Montgomery, Jack Renault, Young Stribling, Chuck Wiggins, and Jack Sharkey. His best win was over I guess Wiggins in a re-match. He was a solid opponent apparently capable of giving anyone a good fight, but lost consistently to the better men.

    No so in 1927-1928.
     
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    You can make a case for Risko being better at that point, but there wasn't daylight between them, there wasn't much interest in Risko fighting Tunney, and Risko had already lost to Heeney and Tunney.

    This is just absurd criticism. It would only come from someone setting out to criticise Tunney, and looking for any justification.

    There were hopes of setting up Uzcudun, Delaney and Sharkey as challengers, but the results meant the top guys were Heeney and Risko, neither of who were seen interesting challengers and one of which he'd already beaten. There's nothing to criticise if Tunney fought either. It's perfectly normal for champions to fight top contenders that aren't the number 1 ranked anyway.

    I wonder if you go through every other title challenger with such a fine tooth comb, and if you decide he wasn't the absolute best possible challenger, think that's a crticism.
     
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    I don't see what the point here is, as this author doesn't want Heeney or Risko. It doesn't really address which won was more worthy off his total record. Only shows what others in the press have said. It was a poor crop of contenders, at least at the box office.
     
  13. Jason Thomas

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    But why should Tunney have selected his opponent? He wasn't the one who was going to lose money at the box office. That was Rickard's problem.

    Tunney earned the criticism by intervening. If Rickard wanted an elimination, wait for the elimination and fight the winner.

    I notice there is no answer to why Risko rather than Heeney is matched with Sharkey.

    I strongly disagree that Heeney proved himself the outstanding contender.
     
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    Even if that's the case, it doesn't change the fact that a quote from the fighter themselves saying they are better now isn't good evidence of it. Fighters come out with that stuff when they are completely shot.

    Considering how erratic a lot of the top guys were at that point, and the poor state of the division, I don't think we can discount the possibilty that he just had a bit of a lucky streak, he was getting the wins, but hardly setting the world alight. The only one of the guys he beat who ever did much as a heavyweight was Jack Sharkey, which was nearly all due to Sharkey's awful effort in that fight.
     
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    Why shouldn't he have selected his opponent?

    Would you be outraged to find out Tyson Fury had some input on who his next opponent would be?

    I told you why I think Risko was matched with Sharkey, Sharkey was supposed to win that fight, but he blew it.

    So should Tunney have had to stay inactive until the full elimation was done? Or should he have fought a worse opponent then fought the winner of the elimination tournament?