Would Ron Lyle, Be Capable Of Beating Most Of The 1950 s Heavyweight s?

It would be fun to watch. Lyle vs Johansson might be another good one

 

Neither Bonavena, Ellis, nor Bugner were ranked when he beat them. Only Shavers was.

Williams has wins over three/four ranked fighters (If you count Rischer who was in the top ten before the fight but mysteriously dropped out without having lost a fight).

He would've had more imo had he gotten fights with Jones, Folley, etc.

He also drew with the number 2 heavyweight in a majority draw that one judge scored for him by a clear margin, and the majority of the audience thought he won.

Lyle wouldn't have anywhere near the same success as Williams did against Machen based on his results against Young.

 

Very Much So

 

Ron Lyle

He would lose to:

Sonny Liston
Rocky Marciano
Ezzard Charles
Jersey Joe Walcott
Archie Moore - Styles
Eddie Machen- Styles


He would be 50/50 with:

Floyd Patterson- Styles
Cleveland Williams
Zora Folley
Harold Johnson
Ingemar Johansson


He would beat in close, competitive fights:

Joe Louis
Clarence Henry
Nino Valdes
Bob Baker
Joey Maxim


He would destroy:

Rex Layne
Jimmy Bivins
Mike DeJohn
Henry Cooper
Alex Miteff
Earl Walls
Willie Pastrano
John Holman
Harold Carter
Bob Satterfield
Omelio Agramonte
Dan Bucceroni
Billy Hunter
Johnny Summerlin
Roy Harris
Jimmy Slade
Hurricane Jackson
Roland Lastarza
Don Cockell
Heinz Neuhas
Hein Ten Hoff
Coley Wallace
Cesar Brion
Kid Matthews
Lee Oma
Lee Savold
Freddie Beshore

 

My point that Lyle beat contenders, men we know that were ranked when he fought them and at one time of another were stands. He also did well vs Ali and Foreman, two universal accepted top then heavyweights. Lyle fought in the 70s which had more heavyweight talent than the 1950's / 1960's. At least I never meet some who disagrees with that. Do you? Facts are Lyle fought better fights without a doubt.

Lyle's competition was way better than Willams. And I disagree with you comparing Young to Machen. He's is nothing like Young. Few are / were . Young was a one of a kind, something of a puncher's nightmare. Indeed he beat Foreman. He had exceptional head movement. Vs a puncher like Lyle, Machen would be was meat and not competitive. Examples such as Ingo, Farzier, and Patteron. Yet Machen drew with Williams? Machen would lose to Lyle too. Think about it.

 

Lyle probably did have better fights but he has ONE win over ranked opposition. Williams has 3/4.

Machen is nothing like young? Have you seen the two fight? While not carbon copies of each other they were both cute slicksters, and Machen was the closest thing to Young in the 60s.

Machen would not lose to Lyle under any circumstances.

His bouts against Frazier and Patterson when he'd come back from the looney bin and was clearly a shell of himself. His bout against Ingo was an anomaly. He had no respect for Ingo's power as Ingo was unknown and paid the price for it. Your insinuation that just because Machen lost to Ingo, Lyle would do the same is ridiculous. Lyle was nothing like Ingo (or Frazier or Patterson for that matter).

It's like saying Young has no chance against Lyle because he lost to and drew with Shavers.

 

SuzieQ, got your name right this time. Marciano himself and the boxing writers usually use a " Y " in it. Sorry, I'm old school and a Marciano fan so we should get along. I respectfully disagree with the picks and used my own odds:

Sonny Liston - 75 / 25
Rocky Marciano 60 / 40 which puncher did Rocky face on Lyle's level? None is the answer.
Ezzard Charles 50-50
Jersey Joe Walcott 50-50 Walcott lost a lot to fights.
Archie Moore - 30 / 70 I think the light heavyweight Moore or at least that's what he's known for is over matched here.
Eddie Machen- 25.75 Machen was not competitive with punchers you can look it up.

Floyd Patterson- Agreed it would be a good fight
Cleveland Williams - Who did he fight and beat? A very over rated fighter based on who he fought and who he beat

Zora Folley
Harold Johnson

- Lyle is better then Folley and Johnson.

 

Lyle loses to Rocky, Walcott, Charles, Joe Louis, Patterson, Ingo and Liston. But he’s good enough to take all of them pretty close to the wire.

He should be an outstanding contender in any era.

 

Machen deserves a mention don't you think?

 

Moore would beat Lyle easily.

 

Who did Lyle ever beat to even consider his chances? Moore dominated bigger, stronger but less skilled opponents he faced.

 

You know absolutely nothing about Machen if you think he was "not competitive with punchers". an absurd statement, and even a cursory look at his record would show how how laughably wrong you are.

It's also funny to see you calling Williams an overrated fighter based on "who he fought and who he beat" when Lyle has ONE win over ranked opposition and 2 over rated opposition. Williams beats him in both categories.

 

Not sure about "easily" but Lyle has a poor track record against boxers.

 

For some reason, I only thought of the Liston era fighters with the exception of Marciano. I'd also favor Walcott, Charles, Moore, and Johnson. I don't think Folley's chin would hold up tbh.