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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Breidis weighed 21e when he beat Charr. He didn't bulk; he just didnt have to make weight.
     
  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    This shows to me that guys who fought at heavyweight in the Amateurs at 91kg are the real heavyweights. Everything else is a Superheavyweight.

    Please change the division names to match amateur boxing.
     
  3. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, I know, it's fashionable to ridicule the precent, and say it has never been worse - but is that really a fair way to describe today's heavyweights?

    If, for example, we look at the The Ring's 1930s world rankings, can we find a single year, where we would favour the Top-11 (champs included) to best The Ring's latest list of HW "pudding"?

    The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: Heavyweight--1930s - BoxRec

    Ratings - The Ring (ringtv.com)
     
  4. FastLeft

    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    the problem with today heavyweight contender is they do not get in boxing ring & box
    very very rare
    might be 1 fight in year
    might be 2
    sometimes is 0 fight

    cannot say same of most 1930s decade heavyweight contender.
     
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  5. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    About that, we can not disagree!

    However, we're talking about "pudding" here... and I don't really see anything soft about guys like Joyce and Hrgovic, for example.

    Now take a close look at the buttom half of the 1930s rankings. Plenty of pudding there, I should say!
     
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  6. BCS8

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    There have been worse eras but I think that this is probably the worst since the 70s.
     
  7. Vic The Gambler

    Vic The Gambler Active Member Full Member

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    I think Roy Jones Jr was the last under 200lb fighter to win a Heavyweight world title belt but that was almost 20 years ago.
     
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  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    yes 1938 or 1939. I favour Joe Louis to beat Tyson Fury. And Lou nova or Max Scmeling deserves a 50-50 chance versus Usyk. Then there’s Tommy Farr, Red Birman, Bob pastor, Roscoe Toles and Max Baer…all good fighters. When AJ can lose to fat Andy, Who are they going to lose against? Even Tony Galento beats the pants off half of the top ten today. Gus Dorazio might even win a fight too. He might get lucky.
     
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  9. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have no problem with Louis beating Fury... If anyone from back then could, it would most likely be Louis.

    Nova and Schmeling 50-50 against Usyk? Hmm... I have my doubts.

    Galento beating the pants off half of today's top 10? I would sincerely question that!

    And against whom do you think 5'11", 72" reach, 189lbs Dorazio "might get lucky"
     
  10. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Schmeling would definitely be competitive against Usyk. Nova probably not, but Max was legit great fighter with right style to trouble Usyk.
     
  11. janitor

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    Lets take a look:

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    2022 (as of July 23)
    Campion Tyson Fury
    1. Oleksander Usky
    2. Anthony Joshua
    3. Deontay Wilder
    4. Joseph Parker
    5. Dilliam Whyte
    6. Andy Ruiz Jr
    7. Luis Ortiz
    8. Joe Joyce
    9. Filip Hergovic
    10. Frank Sanchez
    This comparison shows what I expected, and that is that the average size of the top ten has increased.

    Yes there were big men in 2000, but there was a lot more diversity of sizes and styles, and there were still guys under 6' in the mix.

    Today it is pretty much all big heavyweights, with the odd exception.
     
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