Jose Pipino Cuevas vs Aaron The Hawk Pryor, at 147 lbs, Both Prime, 15 Rounds.

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  1. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Cervantes had been beaten by a teenage Benitez a four and a half years earlier. He was 74 fights deep. He was on the cusp of 35.

    We will have to agree to disagree on this one HG, alongside the claim Hagler was a huge puncher. Pryor was never ever considered a big time puncher, not in his own time and not since.
     
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    If Bert Sugar said that SRL mercilessly ducked Aaron Pryor and SRL beat Duran to where he made him quit and Duran jacked up Cuevas, then how can we say that Pryor was too small? Some of you all have no ability to reason these things out; I'm sorry. Use some logic next time we get a H2H thread around here, jeez.
     
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    JT .. it wax a razor thin split decision loss in Puerto Rico. Cervantes was KO'ed once in 80 fights (other stoppage was cuts many years earlier) and that was by Pryor, early and decisive .. Cervantes held the title for eight years , made fifteen or so defenses and was a terrific champion .. Pryor was considered a big and deadly puncher as champion . I honestly have no clue where you're getting you info from .. Just because he fought like a whirlwind doesn't mean he was a volume to ko puncher .. Pryor was a beast with massive power ..that said as always I respect your opinion and will here too ! :)
     
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    Which of the two times that Cervantes beat him are you referring to ? The first where he dominated in a decision win or there time time after when he stopped Montilla ? I must have missed the moments when Montilla was on the verge of stopping him in the two fights ...
     
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  5. JohnThomas1

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    Hey all good HG straight back at ya.

    Given there's a plethora of info on the internet try and find articles alluding to Pryor having "massive" power or a "huge puncher". I was exposed to it real time, as it happened, via countless top writers and trainers. Not once was Pryor's ever described in such terms. He beat on Arguello, an ex Featherweight moving up in class all night. Now Arguello in previous lower divisions had shown excellent durability but if Pryor was all that power wise Arguello would have been gone earlier given the amount of flush punches he took.

    He had very good power, hit hard with both hands etc but he was well below top tier.

    P4P guys like Arguello, Gomez, Spinks, EMM, Rosario etc were all above him.
     
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  6. Cobra33

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    That first fight was close. And Cervantes was sloppy at times. Eight rounds to six rounds with one even is not exactly domination.
     
  7. mark ant

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    I think Aaron Pryor was also one of those guys that was super close to top 5 all time great, but needed a FEW little things and those few things might have got him knocked out by a fighter that punched harder than anyone Pryor faced.
     
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    I could not disagree more and I watched it all in real time too .. here in the US there was a different take ..
     
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    Nice to pick your own facets rather than admit you're wrong ..

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    Cervantes dominated after the fifth round and won on all scorecards the first time and then stopped him in the rematch but you keep making your point on your own facts ..
     
  11. Mark Dunham

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    I like Pryor even with his limited experience at welter. AP is quicker, and not as rigid as Pipino. He wont take as much punishment as former victims and will dish out more than he takes which, will eventually take its toll on Cuevas who eventually succumbs to a viscous late round attack
     
  12. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT banned Full Member

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    Seems apt to link Rich The Fight Historian’s treatment on Cuevas. Haven’t watched it yet but Rich’s rep. for quality well precedes him:-

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  13. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Thanks, I appreciate it.
     
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    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT banned Full Member

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    Yeah, you’re Rich the Fight Historian also - I killed two birds with one stone…hmm, maybe there’s a better saying than that on this occasion….”a bird in the hand is worth….” - - nah, that doesn’t work either…..where the hell is Polly when you need her?? Partying, of course. Naughty Parrot Girl!
     
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    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    I hope Naughty Polly The Parrot does not fall off of her perch like she did in Tokyo, Japan with Mike Tyson. Lol.
     
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