Is Vasilly Lomachenko an all time great

All time great for me. On the eye Loma's skills and talent is some of the best there has ever been... H2H he is a beast... multiple world titles in multiple weight classes. Got Olympic gold medals, great amateur... only thing is his professional resume is thinner than other ATG's, but he has still beaten some good names, made some good names quit multiple times and also could have got the decision vs Salido... and in both losses he was the smaller guy.

ATG.

 

Yes for me. His resume is thin but he jumped straight into the deep end of the pool. Better than some that build a 50 - 0 record fighting bums

 

You're right. Lomachenko has a better resume than Mayweather. Mayweather has beaten no one

 

Wow, I didn't mean like that! I meant a build up record. Mayweather's 50 - 0 is legit. He's been fighting World Titles since his 18th fight.
I meant some guys like Zurdo Ramirez or Wilder, with fewer high profile fights.

 

Loma has few fights but some very quality wins. He dominated a 24-0 GRJ in his 3rd fight - this is something someone who isn't "great" couldn't do. He was willing to fight anyone under any circumstances. There's a strong case he is an ATG.

 

A boxer who lost 2 out of 18 professional fights to the likes of Salido and Lopez is not ATG.
Potential means nothing, one's record is the only valid reason that one deserves to be considered ATG.

 

I think so. His record I think indicates he is an all time great. Also the eye test also indicates he has a very difficult style for most opponents. My issue is with his fanboys the ones we refer to as the Lomasexual’s who think he is a divinity and untouchable which he quite clearly is not. Like every other great fighter he has his weaknesses which can be exploited by the right opponent. Back to the premise of this thread yes he is an all time great.

 

Packey McFaland, Butterbean amongst so many other should be considered ATG in this estimation. Stick to accounting

 

Then you are a Lomasexual.

 

Not at all because I think he is very beatable at 135 pounds. Tank beats him, Haney has a good chance and Teo who was tight at the weight already beat him. Loma beats Ryan Garcia who is mentally weak as well as Boy George Kambosos.

 

Personally I believe both Mayweather and Pacquiao stop him at 130 and 135 pounds.

 

He is not an ATG. Only lomasexuals think he is an ATG.

 

Noted.

 

Why are you taking my post so personally ?
Are you a lomasexual ?

 

No, no he's not. The eyeball test tells me he's most talented and skilled I've seen in this era, but the resume isn't there.

If he beats Haney and unites the 135lbs division and then defeats Shakur Steveson once he steps up, then yes, he's defeated two young guns and is cemented as an ATG

Even his "losses" enhance his resume credentials. Salido was obviously an incredible screw job and in actuality was a very impressive 8-4 /9-3 win over a huge opponent that failed to make weight and fouled him endlessly in only his second pro bout. And he goes in with a torn shoulder to fight a much larger Teofimo Lopez (when he was the A-side which was a dumb decision) and either earned a draw or lost 7-5 which is forgivable in the ATG discussion.

He really did hurt his legacy deciding to stay in Ukraine. He would have dominated Kombosos (which goes a long way to fixing the Lopez mistake) and be preparing right now for Haney in Oct.

But the decision was made and I don't believe he'll ever get those fights. I think once Haney embarrasses Kombozos again he'll first and foremost look to the Garcia v. Twink winner (assuming that happens) and isn't taking a chance on Loma.