Actual physical anomalies that helped fighters win

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  1. Entaowed

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    30-40? Anything below a 40 is very rare, even 40's is elite & quite unusual for a heart rate.
    Was it in part genetic? I am sure he was in top shape, but did he have even more fitness or a lower heart rate than others who trained like he did?
    Hagler was strong but his neck was not disproportionate in size, & he was not a large MW even for his time.
    So his thick skull & whatever else must have made his chin so adamantine.

    Nobody knows what Liston's wingpan was, but if it was 84", that is a
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    Even your +8" must be a fairly tiny % of the population.
    Even in the NBA, which selects for height & long arms, it is +5" on average, & a +10" is pretty rare even there.
     
  2. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Never knew this, thanks for the info.
     
  3. Glass City Cobra

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    My dad was a pretty crazy athlete. He played football and basketball at the same time in highschool and hit the weight room too. Jogged for stamina, swam in his spare time, etc. It honestly might have been genetic because my Dad's cousin was also an athlete and played professional for the 49ers. My cousin won the Michigan state championship as the starting quarterback:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kf...tlight-jayru-cambells-journey/?outputType=amp

    Of course, nature can only give you the tools, you still have to put in the work to make the most of it. As I said, my dad was a busy-body and worked his ass off dabbling in a lot of things. My heart rate never got as low as his, but I think it was around 65 at my peak when I was competing.

    I wasn't saying Haglers neck was abnormally large, I was saying that it was perhaps stronger than average. You do not need to have a gigantic neck to have a strong one. Many sports analysts are under the impression a strong neck can help in absorbing the impact from blows.

    I agree 84' is very rare. Even my own reach of 80 at 6'1 is rare, but neither are impossible.
     
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  4. GoldenHulk

    GoldenHulk Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wow, 80 inches at 6'1! I'm 6'1.5 and mine is 76, my friend Jim is 6'1 or 6'2 and he has a 79 inch reach but he only weighs about 170lbs, he's very narrow shouldered but he's got arms like an ape!
     
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  5. Seamus

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    William Sheriff had nary two, nary three but FIVE fully formed and functioning testicles. His testosterone levels must have been off the charts. He performed the half ham/full buttock throw on Charley Mitchell 8 times in a six rounds, a feat never matched in the squared circle.
     
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  6. Saintpat

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    Boston Tom McMustache had a handlebar so dazzling that opponents were loathe to try to hit it less they mess up a single hair.
     
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  7. Pugguy

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    Ha, and they would likely share discount rates between them - so no excuse to avoid the check up.
     
  8. Pugguy

    Pugguy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    5 testicles?!! Imagine suffering from blue balls - with that number it could literally kill you! 5 acres would be a good start to become a farmer.

    If Golota fought him, he would’ve felt like he had just walked into a candy shop - I wonder if the varying sizes gave off different sounds - Andrew could’ve played him like a xylophone.
     
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  9. Pugguy

    Pugguy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good points Cob.

    With stronger necked guys you can literally see that even when they’re in receipt of powerful punches, there isn’t a lot or as much shift or snapping of their heads.

    Those shots Foreman laid on Chuvalo might’ve spun another fighter’s head around the full 360 degs, ala Linda Blair. LOL.

    At the other end of the scale, I’ve seen some fighter’s heads appear to shift or snap disproportionately, relative to the punch taken - of course being ready and bracing helps….and there is of course the old axiom, “it’s the punches you don’t see….”
     
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  10. Pugguy

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    So, was his ‘stache as much an “I dare you to?” challenge as it was (supposedly) an aesthetic adornment exuding masculinity?

    And was Tom actually the Son of Mustache and was Mustache himself simply the son of Stache, so on and so forth?

    There doesn’t seem to be sufficient prefixes/letters to work all the way back up the ancestral line.

    Maybe there was an immaculate conception in there to kick things off?

    Many a sleepless night I’ve endured wondering about these things. These questions need to be answered.
     
  11. Pugguy

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    Well that was a Grim diagnosis/assessment.

    Maybe Joe’s brain was that bit bigger before he started boxing and began taking a gazillion shots to the head?

    I’ve read that Jeffries wasn’t the sharpest tool in the shed but his doctors’ reports obviously focused on the more positive, anatomical attributes of The Boilermaker.

    Poor old Joe’s quack only afforded him:- “Tiny Brain, Too Stupid”.
     
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  12. Saintpat

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    You seem to be confusing Boston Tom McMustache (the one from Philadelphia by way of Houston, born in Albuquerque) with Barbados Boston Tom McMustache (aka the Frisco Kid, from Panama City, Florida, by way of Panama City, Panama, born in Albany, NY), the cousin of Original Boston Tom McMustache (who was born in Moscow, Idaho, and migrated to Australia after his brief sojourn winning the European title in Argentina).

    It’s a common mistake, but Boston Tom from Philly is the one with the handlebar. Boston Tom the Frisco Kid had a Dali mustache. Original Boston Tom actually had alopecia so had no hair, facial or otherwise (according to legend).
     
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  13. Entaowed

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    That is quite a story thanks GC!
    Now I may be confusing you with someone else-I thought it was 6" even, is there another guy around this height, John Thomas, with an 80" wingspan, amazing the nurses?
    So you are "only" a +7" ape factor, still pretty unusual.
    As is a 7' wingspan, but much more so if someone is only 6' 1/2" like Sonny.

    Possible yes, but unlikely at the least: a +11" is very rare, more than that-I have found only 3 humans ever, 2 siblings with a growth disorder. And the percentage difference is slightly higher when someone is not especially tall.

    65 is good but a world away from 40, & lower than that-a 30 sometimes? Really rare.
    Maybe a rare monk who
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    can get his heart rate there or lower.

    Of course I know that strong necks absorb punishment well.
    Hagler was certainly strong, but you can only be so strong within a certain muscular size.
    Even top Olympic lifters who seem to defy this in the lighter weight categories, they are mostly strong in those specialized lifts because they attain a mastery of technique: the throw & catch at the end of their fingers & coordinate dropping & splitting the legs when dropping again & pressing overhead-they would not have such outlier strength for their size on simple demonstrations of strength such as powerlifting.

    I am saying Hagler's neck strength was good, but I doubt it could have been freakishly strong if you simply measured what he could lift in a neck harness...
    It must be other things, likely a thick skull + maybe another genetic factor, that made him so punch resistant.
    Of course if he fought modern HWs, at best he might have an average chin, & this goes to show that body mass & neck size do make a difference in absolute terms.
     
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  14. Journeyman92

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    Sanchez was one of (correct me) the first guys to have a doctor in his camp for monitoring his heart rate etc for his cardio training.
     
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  15. Journeyman92

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    Actually it was the fan muscle on Haglers temple that was twice as thick. Bite down and feel the part of your head at the side of your forehead.
     
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