Wilder to reclaim WBC title after Fury retires

Wilder has fought the lineal king three times, twice when he was No.1 ranked and proven he's a warrior where it matters, INSIDE THE RING. He'll fight anyone in the division.

If little piggy Ruiz gets past 43 year old Ortiz (no sure thing) he's going to get butchered by Wilder.

 

If he beats Helenius and than Joyce, I don't have a problem if he gets the tittle.

Not any other way

 

Wilder can theoretically become the undisputed champion.
But to become a lineal champion...
If the line were to be broken again in the event of Fury retiring we would have it for the fourth time in heavyweight history:
1. Gene Tunney
2. Rocky Marciano
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Tyson Fury

When Lennox Lewis retired as the lineal champion, no one immediately became the lineal champion, instead it took 6 years (and many fights) until the Wladimir Klitschko Vs Ruslan Chagaev fight, when a new lineal champion was created.

 

Hopefully wilder has the stones to step up. Considering he has lost his zero, I think he will show more balls than fury

 

This is exactly right except that he will not even fight the likes of Helenius.

OP's idea that Wilder would beat Usyk is almost psychotic.

 

Jefferies retired as well, although I guess you could say that was re-unified when he got back in with Johnson.

 

I thought about retiring forever.
Not to "retirement", but a return to the ring.
Now I see that I should have emphasized that, although I thought it was unnecessary.

 

Undisputed creates a new lineage

The ring even tried to create a new lineage through Vitali which was then abandoned when he retired the first time, and even the one that was started by Wlad was somewhat of a flimsy claim, which looking at the Vitali case could/should have ended when Fury retired the first time...

 

I don't understand if you're joking with me on purpose, or if you just don't understand.

Vitali, Wlad and Tyson Fury were never undisputed champions, so they shouldn't have been lineal champions either (Vitali was never lineal champion).

By logic undisputed champion = lineal champion, we shouldn't have had a lineal champion since Lennox Lewis.

Shannon Briggs, and Michael Spinks were lineal champions and did not hold a single belt (WBA, WBC, WBO, IBF).

Lineal champion = the man who beat the man.

 

Sugar Helenius will stop Wilder. It is written in the stars.

 

Helenius is a contender. If he wins that fight and takes on the winner of the eliminator (Ortiz-Ruiz) for the vacant that’s legit. He shouldn’t fall out of the picture entirely losing to Fury in the FotY where he had the man down twice.

 

It was in the context of if Fury has retired.

If Fury has retired, then the undisputed fight would create a new lineage. I wasn't saying that undisputed automatically creates a new lineage. I guess I should have been clearer. e.g. Mike Tyson became undisputed champion whilst Spinks held the lineal claim

To be honest, lineal seems to just follow whatever the commonly held narrative is of the time. And then people go back and adjust to fit whatever is going on in present day

 

You are stupid.

He turned his reign into a farce by making "title defenses" agains guys like Molina, Duhapaus, Szpilka, and physically unfit fighters like Stivern and Ortiz, who was barely medically cleared. He ADMITTED to turning down truckloads to fight Joshua because he thought Fury would be another medically unfit fighter.

And yes, a lot of those guys did much better than expected.

Wilder is a joke. Basically, so are you.

 

I hope you are right.

A Helenius win over Wilder is the better result for the sport of boxing - Helenius will not avoid strong boxers like Joyce and Makhmudov, but Wilder will go back to fighting chinny journeymen like Szpilka and old faded guys like Ortiz.

 

Wilder's management chose his opponents you idiot. Even Wlad admitted this happened on his title reign and he probably had close to double Wilder's IQ.

Molina and Breazeale were mutual AJ title defences were they not?

Szpilka had beaten Adamek and went on to beat Wach, who would go on to give Whyte a very tough fight on short notice.

Duhaupas had given prime Teper a competitive fight over 12, beaten Charr on short notice, went on to KO6 22-0 Helenius in Finland and went 12 rounds with prime Miller, who was on an 11 KO's in 12 fights streak, including a KO9 over a fresher Wach.

Stiverne and Ortiz were fit to fight and put in commendable efforts. Stiverne was never short of an excuse and Ortiz is fighting Ruiz 4.5 years post-Wilder 1, with 2 KO defeats and 6 KD's received since. Let's see how AJ's conqueror does against the old man.

Hearn never offered 50-50 to Wilder as they wanted to age the 4 years older man out while narrowing the experience deficit. Hearn was messing around with talk of one-way rematch clauses and home advantage in both fights: the same deals that the gutless Martin and Parker signed up for. Then AJ got exposed by the Mexican Homer Simpson and the rest is history.

Wilder fought Fury 3x, twice when he was No.1 rated and once coming off a terrible battering. He proved emphatically that he is a warrior and AJ is, by comparison, yellow.

The reason why people think Washington, Szpilka and others were doing well is because they don't understand Wilder's style. Wilder was taking no real damage against them, was even or ahead on the cards, was constantly fatiguing them with his KO threat and KO'd them with plenty of time to spare.