Fights where temperature/weather had influence?

Troy Dorsey won a world title in the same way against one of the Rangels.

 

Foreman-Young

 

Yeah, fair-weather fighters only do well in the conditions they like.

Winners adjust. Losers make excuses.

I’ve been at fights in sweltering heat and humidity in un-air conditioned buildings in the Deep South and on a casino parking lot in 100-plus degree heat where you could burn your feet with shoes on. And one after an ice storm in a building where the heat didn’t work.

But it’s like Maxim said: “It’s not like I had air conditioning in my corner.” The temperature and atmospheric conditions are the same for both fighters. It’s just a convenient excuse for the loser.

As another poster noted, if a fight takes place in the heat and a guy loses we hear ‘if it wasn’t for that heat he’d have won for sure,’ but if it takes place in cooler or moderate temps no one says ‘if it was really hot, he’d have won for sure.’

Whatever the conditions, they’re the same for both fighters.

 

It rained during Dempsey-Tunney 1 in Philadelphia, and Jack never came close to landing any significant punches.

 

Zale-Graziano 2. The heat was sweltering in Chicago that day, and the Chicago Stadium, an indoor arena, had no air conditioning. Zale went after Rocky aggressively trying for a kayo, but the younger Rocky outlasted him. Zale was totally exhausted at the end. Tony won the first and third fights when heat was not a factor.

 

The heat and humidity for the Thrilla in Manila was such that the gloves become waterlogged. You can see and almost hear them sloshing from the sweat that got absorbed into the horsehair in the gloves. It made for some heavy hands and both mean took much greater beatings than they would have in normal conditions.

Maybe the punches were a little less sharp but they were akin to conking each other over the head with heavier objects.

I don’t think it altered the outcome but it definitely took more out of both guys.

 

Muhammad Ali vs Karl Mildenberger, Sept 10 1966, come on fellas it was raining, they fought outside. Ha. Ha.

 

It doesn't matter if the conditions are the same for both fighters, if it's very hot, it's gonna affect the busier fighter more, that's just how it is.

 

As noted: winners adjust. You fight to the conditions of the fight you’re in and find a way to win in those conditions.

I’d rather be the 175-pound champion of the world than the 72-degree champion of the world, lol.

 

Horse****.
If you challenge a guy in a bigger weight class, most of the time you cannot go toe to toe with him. So you have be busier. If it's excessively hot, you are gonna suffer.
That's just how it is, whether you like it or not.
Your whole idea of "winners adjust" is crap, sometimes you only have one way to win, and the conditions can hamper you doing that.

 

I understand the logic of both fighters being under the same conditions but the heat during Maxim vs Robinson (105 F =40 C) was extraordinary, not the norm.

Robinson was winning going away and then the heat began to really get to him in the very late stages.

Dealing with varying conditions is one thing, but it’s another thing again when those conditions influence the outcome far more than anything else - thereby removing the engagement from a reasonable measure of skill vs skill and into a very specific tolerance.

I don’t think Maxim necessarily adjusted to the heat, meaning, with a more reasonable/normal temp., Maxim fights more or less the same - but Ray himself more likely sees the whole fight out, winning by wide decision. Or, even under those same conditions but over only a mod. 12 rounds, fair to say Ray wins in that circumstance also.

Several spectators were said to have fainted during the fight and the ref himself, Ruby Goldstein, had to be replaced in round 10.

However , qualifying what might’ve been for Ray in different conditions shouldn’t serve to discredit Maxim for his actual victory.

As an analogy, my man, speed skater, Steven Bradbury, thoroughly deserved his Gold Medal in the 2002 Winter Olympics - by being the last and only man standing to cross the finish line first.

He was in that race final because he deserved to be there and he did exactly what was required of him to secure the win…even if it did come down to his merely staying on his feet. You beauty! Maxim did a Bradbury 50 years before Bradbury did. LOL.