Wilder to reclaim WBC title after Fury retires

not impossible

 

What should have happened is one of the other HWs should have done something to distinguish themselves between Fury 2 and today, but there wasn't much of that.

At least with Wilder you know he'll show up, be ready for a 12 round fight, come to win, etc. Joyce is similar, but who else really (outside AJ, Usyk, and Fury)?

 

Don't be stupid. the fighter has final say in who he fights, shortbus.

Stiverne had an obesity disease where he was literally pissing fat. Ortiz has high blood pressure and was only cleared the day of the fights. They were not fit, and you have dramatically below average intelligence.

Wilder doesn't;t have a style. He gets beat until he lands a straight right, which only works against shitty opponents.

 

A dumb fighter like Wilder is not in charge of his own destiny, neither is AJ. They are manipulated by the likes of Finkel, Haymon and Hearn. Wilder can express a preference but ultimately he doesn't put the deals together; if his management want to give him low risk fights that's what they will do. Fortunately this has overwhelmingly not been the case since 2018.

Stiverne always made excuses after his losses, if his preparation wasn't ideal that's on him and if he had health problems after the fight it was due to the 220+ Wilder punches he walked into. Ali had high blood pressure before fighting Liston for the first time, I guess he wasn't "medically fit to fight" either. Blood pressure pills can be used as masking agents for PED's, something Ortiz had a history with. Ortiz is still fighting at "top 10" level 4.5 years and 2 KO defeats later.

"He gets beat until he lands a straight right"

Wilder was even or ahead on the scorecards at the time of his KO's against everyone barring Ortiz 2, who was taken out with more than 15 minutes to spare. Wilder has not taken much punishment in his career outside Ortiz 1, Fury 2 and Fury 3. His defence against Arreola and Fury 1 was statistically superior to Vitali's and Wlad's. His defence against Szpilka and Ortiz was superior to Jennings', who most regard as more skilled. Aside from Fury (who Wilder gave two of his toughest career fights) and Ortiz 1 (who only Wilder has beaten) no one has come close to beating him. Contrast this with ATG Wlad, who got KO'd by Puritty (Duhaupas) Sanders (Ortiz) and Brewster (Stiverne).

 

Ali wa ali. Ortiz is not Ali.

Stiverne had a disease, It was documented.

Wilder is responsible for who he fights.

You are defending a fraud.

 

"Ali wa aLsi."

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"Stiverne had a disease"

Yes, from getting punched 227 times by Wilder.

"You are defending a fraud"

“There’s one kid in America that no one speaks of and that’s Deontay Wilder. He was on the Olympic team, big kid, and I have had the fortune of training with him. He is a big kid, he’s bigger than Wladimir too. But he’s got good speed and power and I think the best talent is still going to be Tyson and Deontay Wilder.” - Emmanuel Steward, 2012

“Wilder is the hardest puncher I’ve ever been in with (including Lewis and W. Klitschko).” - Jameel McCline, 2013

“We had good sparring sessions. Wilder is a very hard and strong fighter. I can’t say that there is a big difference (between Wlad’s power and Wilder’s power) but I think that Wilder’s punches are harder. Wilder is the hardest worker I've been in with. In addition he has dangerous angles to his attacks that are difficult to understand. If Klitschko has a classic technique, then Wilder is very unusual and his attacks are very difficult to defend against. If you look from the outside, the movements seem clumsy, but in the ring they work in a very efficient manner." - Murat Gassiev, 2016

“People don’t really know this but Deontay is only wild when he has you hurt. If you look at him properly, like when I’ve sparred with him and stuff, he’s focused on technique and boxing, using his feet and being more lateral. When he hurts you, that’s when he’s wild and swinging, going crazy. But he’s actually a good boxer and he’s a lot faster than people think.” - Isaac Chamberlain, 2017

“It would be a dangerous fight for Joshua. I’m not saying he wouldn’t win it but Wilder has something. Due to his weight, he is extremely fast. He has good power in his hands and he’s extremely fast. Maybe he’s kind of wild in his technique but those punches are coming from who knows where. He is hard to defend against: where is that punch going to land and which side is it coming from? Joshua has all-around more capability but Wilder is taller than Joshua and is faster than Joshua. He doesn’t have the weight behind his punches but he is extremely fast, and it would depend upon what kind of mood both fighters were in.” - W. Klitschko, 2018

“Wilder’s knocks him (Joshua) out cold, bad. Joshua could box for 5 or 6 rounds and that one punch knocks him out.” - Robert Garcia, 2019

“One thing also no-one really mentions is Deontay Wilder’s punch resistance. He can take a shot. I was giving him some digs; I’ve buzzed him a bit and he’s been back wanting more. Not only is it a good chin, his recovery power is great, most people you hit them with one shot their legs go a little bit and they’re not quite the same. He’s straight back on it.” - David Haye, 2020

“He (Ruiz) doesn’t want to face Wilder, he’ll be flat on his back and be hurt. He’ll be sleeping.” - Abel Sanchez, 2021

 

No, Stiverne had an actual disease to where he was pissing out fat.

The quotes are meaningless. Yes, he hits hard. The point is, he didn't;t develop his other skills. It is sat that he did not parleys all of that into a good career. If you are arguing that Wilder is a skilled operator, you are losing that argument.

 

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That Robert Garcia quote is interesting considering the current situation.

 

At the very least wilder should have to punch a hole in Andy the donut destroyer’s head to earn another title shot.

 

You can't blame Robert for taking a payday

 

Brewster was way better than Stiverne. Sanders way better than Ortiz. Purritty is about equal to Duhaupas. Stiverne and Ortiz both got popped for peds, as has Fury.

 

9 times out of 10 Wilder wouldn't land a glove on Usyk. Joshua could hardly touch and although he's limited as a boxer, he's Pernell Whitaker compared to Wilder on that score

 

I agree, but if Ortiz wins, then is it Wilder vs Ortiz III for the vacant title? That would be kinda whack