How does Usyk do against these past great heavyweights in their primes?

Ali took over v Mildenberger at the midway point of that fight and after adjusting to the southpaw style, however Usyk would have toyed with Mildenberger, even Wallin another southpaw would have beaten Mildenberger, Ortiz would also have toyed with Mildenberger, his southpaw style would have bothered Ali also.

 

You make some very good points, Usyk is special, & although his record against good modern sized HWs is very limited, his record against what are effectively conventional HWs even though named CWs is excellent-exceptional.

However I am afraid that you show some of the mirror-image bias that others have because you like Usyk.
You are wrong on a basic factual matter, that Ali went "life & death" with Mildenberger.
You give one sided assessments to help your case-which is already pretty good-but Ali dropped Karl in 3 rounds before stopping him in the 12th.
In the ratings among boxing fans here, only one had it at all close before the TKO: [url]https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/muhammad-ali-vs-karl-mildenberger[/url]

I could be just as selective & say how many rounds Usyk lost in his very limited HW career against non-world beaters, you would fairly say he was feeling the guys out, people fight down to their competition etc.

Also your evidence on Ali's amateur record is problematic in two ways.
One it is in dispute: they fall between 137-3 & 99-8.
You chose the one with the least wins & the most losses.
I do not know what it was, but have you really researched it, or like others who round up or down figures or size in accords with their cases, cherry-picked what is most favorable to you?

Also you must know that Ali had a great amateur record, especially including the Olympic gold medal.
Ali turned pro when he was literally 18 years old!
Do you really think it is fair that what someone did while basically still a kid, & way smaller, shows what they were like or were capable of at their peak?

If so, Marciano was an undistinguished fighter even in his own times-within a 1 win range of error either way, he was 9-4, with an infamous disqualification when his actions exhausted due to poor condition.
And he did not even begin that amateur career until well into his 20's.

I am not taking the simplistic, atavistic irrational tribal approach of automatically favoring who I like-often due to national origin, country or race, psychological over-identification...
Or automatically favoring or discounting certain generations.

I would ask you to consider if you have some of these biases.
Even while you are correct that Usyk is superb.

 

AJ was not competitive with Usyk aside from a few rounds.

 

Tyson was far quicker than any heavyweight Usyk has fought and a better combo puncher.

 

He also put on a lot of muscle, he might be a lot stronger now.

 

Ali always did better in rematches though.

 

Fighters in Sullivan`s era never seen anything like Usyk and the heavyweights were small back then, Corbett was far smaller than Usyk and would have been destroyed.

 

Usyk would have toyed with Williams and Tyrell.

 

I think Norton was a better boxer than AJ and Ali did better in his rematch v Norton than he did in their first clash, Ali took shots that AJ couldn`t have, I don`t know that Usyk could take Foreman or Shavers power, Ali on average had an incredible chin, there`s no way AJ could have stopped Ali and he has stamina problems.

 

If you're comparing him to older heavyweights you include his CW career as well.

 

Lots of fighters could take Shavers's power. Usyk would be no different.

 

I agree with all of your points except that I feel Holmes had insane talent, and an amazing jab.

 

lol! Shavers lands flush it`s good night, his power wa amazing.

 

Agree with a lot of this. Tyson and Lewis would definitely be a problem. I think Tyson would KO him and Lewis is refined enough to land enough power shots to win. Wlad would be an interesting one too stylistically, but wouldn’t be easy on the eye.

Usyk would have too much for most of the old guys. I’d also heavily favour him vs Holyfield, Usyk is tough and tricky enough to win a clear UD

 

Most fan cards gave him 4 rounds 116-112. I would say that's competitive enough.