How does Usyk do against these past great heavyweights in their primes?

Obviously he doesn't beat Holyfield because Holyfield is the greatest human ever to exist according to this Forum.

 

Who’s worshiping him?

He got decked by bums?

They weren’t bums.

Wlad K lost to 3 non great HW’s in his 20’s.

Lennox also lost to 2.

It happens.

Ali lost 5 fights?

So what?

Most of them were at the end of a 20 year career, where he’d had over 60 fights.

Usyk is the one being worshipped after just 3 pro fights at HW.

 

You only want to debate on your terms, which suit your agenda.

You only want to take certain factors into account, whilst conveniently ignoring the others.


Take a look at your last sentence:

You’ve also used the same logic regarding Mildenburger:

You believe that because Ali had trouble with Mildenburger, and that Usyk was on another planet to Mildenburger, that Ali would have had no chance with Usyk.


Okay.

So let us continue to use that same level of thinking:


If a prime Mike Tyson is considerably better than Briedis, who Usyk went life and death with, then that suggests to me that Usyk would get schooled by Mike.


If a prime Evander Holyfield is considerably better than Briedis, who Usyk went life and death with, then that suggests to me that Usyk would get schooled by Evander.


So how do you like that continued level of thinking, genius?


Now if you think that those are unfair statements, as there’d be far more factors to consider, then that just tells you just how poor your posts are which you’ve put forward.

 

More BS comparisons, with zero context.


You say that Moorer had 4 losses, Byrd had 5 losses, whereas Usyk has had zero losses.

Well, yeah.


However, Moorer had a lot of fights at HW, where he fought: Jirov, Tua, Foreman and Evander x 2 etc.

Byrd also had a lot of fights at HW, where he fought: Ike, Povetkin, Vitali, Evander, Golota and Wlad x 2 etc.


Whilst Usyk is a fine fighter, he went life and death with Briedis at CW, before fighting only THREE times at HW, against: Chisora, Witherspoon and AJ.


So your comparisons are completely and utterly irrelevant.

 

The comedy continues.

The gift that keeps on giving.


If Usyk hadn’t have fought Del Boy, you wouldn’t rate him at all.

You would class him as a nobody.

You have to big him up to make him look better though, just because Usyk fought him and his HW resume is so thin.

Ha!


Superior to Mike Tyson?

Oh dear.


When did Mike only possess a 4 round gas tank?


Yeah, I’m sure Usyk would have schooled Mike Tyson like he was nothing.


Just like how he schooled Briedis at CW, huh?


Or was that just an off night?

Maybe it was a stylistic issue?

Maybe something else?


It doesn’t matter though, as you don’t take into account circumstances or apply context.


Come back when you can put forward an actual debate.

 

None of the mentioned boxers would have an "easy night", and Usyk would win at least 50% of the fights.

 

He would do well with many I'm sure but he's only had a few fights at Heavy. So without seeing a bigger data set to compare it's difficult to really say. It's like the Fury logic on here basing on what he could do versus what he's actually done. The premise is therefore flawed.

 

Let me put it into what I believe would be Usyk's percentage of winning:

Muhammad Ali - 40%
Joe Louis - 55%
Larry Holmes - 50%
Rocky Marciano - 70%
George Foreman - 60%
Joe Frazier - 60%
Lennox Lewis - 40%
Evander Holyfield - 45%
Riddick Bowe - 50%
Mike Tyson - 40%
Jack Dempsey - 70%
Jersey Joe Walcott - 70%
Sonny Liston - 60%
Ken Norton - 75%
Wladimir K. - 60%
Vitali Klitschko - 45%

 

I would kind of agree with your opinion but I don`t Cooper was a bum, he was just extremely limited, and Ali on averege had an incredible chin, he also avenged three of his losses, two of his losses came while he had parkinson`s.

 

In any way? Foreman hit harder as did Lewis and Wlad and Tyson.

 

I`d say your opinion on this is only 70% accurate.
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...-for-me-if-i-faced-usyk.690874/#post-21867186

 

I don't know why he has this obsession with Holyfield and Southpaws, Holyfield had health issues during the 1st Moorer fight. All you have to do is watch the fight with your own two eyes, and see Holyfield had no energy and was clearly distressed. Not because of "Southpaw stance" its because Holyfield could not summon the energy because there was something clearly wrong. There's documentaries and articles aswell as the fight itself as evidence, but yet it's dismissed because it doesn't fit the narrative of his Southpaw argument. Hence what i said before about not being objective.

Then when i rebutted his other argument about Moorer/Holyfield 2 being competitive, when it clearly wasn't how can a fight be competitive when Moorer was floored 5 times ? and rocked in every round ? now he's saying Moorer's chin had deteriorated during that time. Which is absolute nonsense and again he's saying that because it doesn't fit his narrative. That Holyfield absolutely hammered "Southpaw" Michael Moorer.

Then he tries to spin a narrative that Holyfield fought on another 8 years after his loss to Byrd, so that must make the win legit absolute nonsense again. All that means is that Holyfield carried on far too long, the man was 40+ having atleast a dozen wars under his belt aswell as fighting for over 16 years. But yeah lets not take that into consideration at all, even though Holyfield got dominated by Donald, Toney, right after his loss to Byrd who wern't Southpaws, which shows that Holyfield had deteriorated not because of "Southpaw stance". I'd love to see how effective Usyk would be after that much wear and tear in his career.

Lastly he calls Moorer a LHW he fought at that weight class for only 2 years and guess what ? his last Light Heavyweight Moorer weighed 174 pounds, and in Moorer's first Heavyweight fight only 4 months later he was 213 pounds what does that tell you ? Moorer was never a natural Light Heavyweight he was starving himself to make the weight, which is why the 40 pound difference in only 4 months should clearly tell you that.

And finally i have nothing against Usyk, i actually like his personality and think he's a character and good for the sport. I just think it's ridiculous to say Usyk beats ATG Heavyweight's, when he's only fought one good Heavyweight and he may not even win the rematch vs Joshua.

 

Muhammad Ali: Ali on points

Joe Louis: Louis was somewhat methodical and would eventually find a way to beat Usyk. Points decision.

Larry Holmes: Holmes by stoppage.

Rocky Marciano: Marciano breaks him down round by round before brutally exiting Usyk, nigh on decapitating him, à la Walcott.

George Foreman: Foreman stoppage.

Joe Frazier: Frazier on points.

Lennox Lewis: Lewis outboxes him, easily. Wide points decision for Lewis.

Evander Holyfield: Usyk on points.

Riddick Bowe: Bowe stoppage

Mike Tyson: Usyk knocks out Mike in the later rounds

Jack Dempsey: Dempsey via first round knock out.

Jersey Joe Walcott: Walcott beats Usyk on points.

Sonny Liston: Sonny by KO.

Ken Norton: Close but Usyk wins.

Wladimir/Vitali Klitschko: Usyk batters Wladimir to a wide 120-108 points victory. Vitali wins some rounds but Usyk wins more. However, the judges at ringside see it differently and give it to Vitali via split decision.

 

Ding,ding, ding, for 15 rounds how exactly is Usyk going to keep the Joe Frazier that beat the crap outta Muhammed Ali off him? Based off one win over overrated Joshua he's going to beat all time greats? Maybe gets at most 4 wins, maybe.....

 

I can’t make my mind up whether he’s trolling or not.

Either way, they’re horrific posts.

You knew from the outset that he was incapable of an honest debate, when he referred to guys as being LHW’s.

TBH, I think that he has to be trolling.

I mean, who in their right mind would believe that Chisora would beat his fair share of prime, ATG HW’s?

Just play him at his own game like I have.

If he wants to be ignorant and not allow for any circumstances or apply any relevant context, then we’ll do exactly the same.

We’ll just say:

If Usyk barely beat Briedis, then he’d have had ZERO chance of beating Mike, Lennox and Evander.