what is the argument for Usyk being above Crawford in p4p?

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie

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    Much better resume
     
    Big Ukrainian, Aug 24, 2022
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  2. anthoto1

    anthoto1 Active Member Full Member

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    If Crawford was Ukrainian, he would hardly be too 5/10 P4P, based on his resume. If Usyk was American, he would be considered P4P#1 by every major outlet.
     
    anthoto1, Aug 24, 2022
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    This was after Usyk vs AJ I

    They elevated Crawford to #1 after Pastor Dmitry baptized Clenelo

    They have Spence ranked #3 and Fury ranked #5

    Both above Usyk. Love to hear someone try and make an argument for either to be ranked above him. It's comical beyond words


    1. TERENCE CRAWFORD    Previous ranking: No. 2
    RECORD: 38-0, 29 KOs
    DIVISION: Welterweight (champion)
    LAST FIGHT: W (TKO10) Shawn Porter, Nov. 20
    NEXT FIGHT: TBA

    2. NAOYA INOUE     Previous ranking: No. 3
    RECORD: 23-0, 20 KOs
    DIVISION: Bantamweight (unified champion)
    LAST FIGHT: W (TKO2) Nonito Donaire, June 7
    NEXT FIGHT: TBA

    3. ERROL SPENCE JR.   Previous ranking: No. 4
    RECORD: 28-0, 22 KOs
    DIVISION: Welterweight (unified champion)
    LAST FIGHT: W (TKO10) Yordenis Ugas, April 16
    NEXT FIGHT: TBA

    4. CANELO ALVAREZ    Previous ranking: No. 1
    RECORD: 57-2-2, 39 KOs
    DIVISION: Super middleweight (undisputed champion)
    LAST FIGHT: L (UD12) Dmitry Bivol, May 7
    NEXT FIGHT: TBA

    5. TYSON FURY   Previous ranking: No. 5
    RECORD: 32-0-1, 23 KOs
    DIVISION: Heavyweight (champion)
    LAST FIGHT: W (TKO6) Dillian Whyte, April 23
    NEXT FIGHT: TBA

    6. OLEKSANDR USYK    Previous ranking: No. 6
    RECORD: 19-0, 13 KOs
    DIVISION: Heavyweight (unified champion)
    LAST FIGHT: W (UD12) Anthony Joshua, Sept. 25
    NEXT FIGHT: July 23 vs. Anthony Joshua

    7. VASILIY LOMACHENKO    Previous ranking: No. 7
    RECORD: 16-2, 11 KOs
    DIVISION: Lightweight
    LAST FIGHT: W (UD12) Richard Commey, Dec. 11
    NEXT FIGHT: TBA

    8. DMITRY BIVOL     Previous ranking: N/R
    RECORD: 20-0, 11 KOs
    DIVISION: Light heavyweight (champion)
    LAST FIGHT: W (UD12) Canelo Alvarez, May 7
    NEXT FIGHT: TBA

    9. SHAKUR STEVENSON   Previous ranking: N/R
    RECORD: 18-0, 9 KOs
    DIVISION: Junior lightweight (unified champion)
    LAST FIGHT: W (UD12) Oscar Valdez, April 30
    NEXT FIGHT: TBA

    10. JUAN FRANCISCO ESTRADA     Previous ranking: No. 8
    RECORD: 42-3, 28 KOs
    DIVISION: Junior bantamweight (champion)
    LAST FIGHT: W (SD12) Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez, March 13, 2021
    NEXT FIGHT: TBA

    CBS P4P rankings from June this year

    Just observe the sheer insanity

    They even have Shakur ranked above Usyk

    https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/ne...ves-up-to-no-2-after-smashing-nonito-donaire/

    1. Canelo Alvarez
    2. Errol Spence
    3. Terence Crawford
    4. Naoya Inoue
    5. Tyson Fury
    6. Vasiliy Lomachenko
    7. Shakur Stevenson
    8. Oleksandr Usyk
    9. Dmitry Bivol
    10. Gervonta Davis
     
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  4. makzy

    makzy Member Full Member

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    CW has the fewest active boxers out of any division 118 pounds and up. It is objectively a trash division.
     
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  5. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury ahead of Usyk:hang:hang

    If Usyk was American he'd be p4p number 1 by a country mile on every list in existence
     
    FastSmith7, Aug 24, 2022
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    That's not even debatable
     
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    PFP doesn't mean making a 5'2 lad put on 50kg and box a heavyweight and expect him to hit just as hard and be as fast.

    it means , to me at least, say the average middleweight is 5'10 or whatever, but you are only 5'8, when comparing you pfp we make you a natural heavyweight, but a slightly smaller than the average (say 6'3) so apportionately you have the same athletic disadvantage (not disadvantage necessarily but yeah) and then rinse and repeated with all attributes.
     
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  8. makzy

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    Worst take of all time...
     
    makzy, Aug 24, 2022
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    Crawford has walked around at about 180lbs for years.. yet hes been fighting mainly at light welterweight and lightweight.. he's also fought a lot of faded Fighters. You can't compare that to the ukrainians 20 fight streak.
     
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  10. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    It's not. Everyone does a different criteria on the P4P.


    Be my guess.

    It's absolutely an imaginary thing what would happen if we are on even ground, aka certain weight.

    And yeah good luck anyone come close to Usyk and Fury, way you even the odds.

    Again Canelo is a great example. Everyone way saying how insanely fast and strong he is, how great his reflexes were.
    He moves to 175 and Bivol schooled him by 10-12 rounds. Bivol was way faster, way tougher, way stronger + had 10x the energy and cardio of Clenelo + had better defense against him.

    Guess how Clenbuterolos will look if we put him into the CW or HW. HE will gas out after 2 rounds, his power will be laughable, and his speed will be nowhere to be seen - facts.
     
    lordlosh, Aug 24, 2022
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  11. lufcrazy

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    The only way anyone dislodged Usyk is if he loses to Fury. The guy is an absolute phenom.
     
    lufcrazy, Aug 24, 2022
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  12. Mitch87

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    I like Crafowrd and rate Crawfors extremely highly and I believe Bud stops Spence.


    That's said there is massive gulf in terms of quality and depth in Buds and Usyk records. Usyk is far more proven.
     
    Mitch87, Aug 24, 2022
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    LET EM FIGHT IT OUT AND YOU WILL KNOW THE ANSWER!
     
    6.5winmag, Aug 24, 2022
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  14. Perkin Warbeck

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    Oleksandr Usyk has many wins over top fighters in their prime, and in his opponents' home countries.
     
    Perkin Warbeck, Aug 24, 2022
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  15. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Crawford’s one of the most overrated fighters ever.
     
    Toney F*** U, Aug 24, 2022
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