Oleksandr Usyk > Lennox Lewis

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you seriusly bringing bums like Dixon and Williams, journeyman Lionel Butler and light heavyweight Glen McCrory into this conversation?

    I mean, guys like Miller or Venter (hell, almost anybody) in Usyk resume are MUCH better than bums like Dixon and Williams
     
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    Wig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Matchroom spin machine in full force.

    The feather fisted cruiser whos best win is delboy chisora now has to be an ATG heavy for Joshua to somehow be elite.
     
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  3. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Using an earlier fight lol Grant improved smart one.

    He went on to beat Izon, Savarese, and Golota. That is legit a better resume than the likes of "top ten" fighters like Parker, Joyce, and Whyte.
     
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    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Top 10 Heavys at the Moment
    1...Usyk
    2...Joshua
    3...Wilder
    4...Whyte
    5...Parker
    6...Chisora
    7...Pulev
    8...Joyce
    9...Hunter
    10..Ortiz
    Nostalgia or not what a Prime Lewis would do to this lot would be Scary.!!!
     
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  5. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Against Golota he was battered from pillar to post, Izon and Savarese were fring conternder at best. Izon? The guy that was outboxed handily by 17-years-old 5-6 Maurice Harris? Or Savarese that was KO'ed in the first seconds of the fight by shot Tyson but went the full distance against prime Grant? Hardly great wins
     
  6. Big Ukrainian

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    He would likely lost to Fury and Usyk
     
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    And still won
    Both with better wins than Chisora
     
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    I disagree but It's not the word of God...
     
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  9. ShortRound

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    He's referring to Tyson and Holyfield who were two of Lewis's most prominent name opponents, not every Lionel Butler and Mike Dixon on his record.
     
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    "Matchroom spin machine in full force"

    Bizarre critique. I've got no love for Matchroom.

    "The feather fisted cruiser"

    By modern standards that's exactly what Ali and Holyfield were. Having great power is not necessary if you have a wide range of other attributes.
     
  11. Vegan Beast

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    The reality is guys that Usyk's quality of opposition at HW hasn't been great.

    AJ is his best HW opponent and it was a horrible stylistic match up for AJ who is mentally shot. Usyk received very little adversity.

    Lets wait and see what happens when Usyk faces significant adversity and pressure throughout a fight from someone better than Chisora.
     
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  12. Grinder

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    Lewis is a bad matchup for Usyk - big, strong, cerebral. Lewis lost when he got complacent, and it was one punch KOs in both fights.
    I was on the Usyk bandwagon before most of this forum could even find Ukraine on a map, but Lewis is one matchup that is stylistically bad for Usyk. Noone is going to outbox Usyk - noone. To beat him requires size, strength, and some fighting in the trenches. That is LL in a nutshell.
     
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    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joshua wasn't mentally shot, he just lost his heart against Ruiz. Usyk beats any version
     
  14. ShortRound

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    "cerebral"

    He had good fighting instincts and was well trained but his IQ is low.

    Lewis never fought anyone like Usyk. The closest were former 190 pounder Holyfield who had been KO'd by a faded Bowe 4 years prior and was about to lose to John Ruiz and 214 lbs vegetarian Mavrovic, who was Euro level and feasted on domestic level guys. Lewis couldn't stop either over 36 rounds, both gave him plenty of problems. Lewis never fought a southpaw so he's got zero experience here and he'd find his jab nullified, which would make him far less effective. Bruno, Mercer, Rahman 1 and especially Vitali all had plenty of success boxing with him; he would be there to be outboxed by Usyk, who has never been dropped by a chin shot in 376 fights. Over the rounds Lewis's KO/KD threat diminishes as his stamina wasn't great.
     
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    Chisora 6th? Hunter 9th? Whyte 4th?