If Fury beats Usyk, where would he rank?

That’s more defenses than Foreman and Liston.

 

Well stated. They both need a bit more. Amazing how “great” people think they are but they have beat so few people. I tend to rank Usyk higher especially if he wins that match. He def could use three more solid wins though.

 

How could it be a great era if no one fights each other? How do you know anyone is great? Usyk deserves that credit over Fury who seems to duck everyone. Usyk has gone straight for the throats of everyone. Fury has had years to fight AJ and Povetkin the two greatest HWs of his generation and he somehow missed them. Wilder is over rated trash imo. Usyk though I agree is Special.

 

Um, Wilder—Fury trilogy, Joshua—Usyk x 2, Wilder—Ortiz x 2, and Wlad agsinst Fury and Joshua.

 

Where was Fury v Povetkin? Fury v AJ? Wilder v AJ? Wilder v Povetkin? Ruiz v Fury? Wilder v Ruiz? And we can go on….and on. Tell me how many interesting great fights were missed in the 60s down? A few for sure but nowhere on this level where top talent avoided each other like the plague.

 

My thoughts exactly. Wilder is possibly the most overrated contender to ever live. He knocked out one man of quality.

 

Exactly. That's why I don't like the "he looked really good in his three good wins, therefore he would always look like that against anyone". Results like Louis-Schmeling, Ali-Norton, Tyson-Douglas, Lewis-McCall/Rahman would never have been predicted if they hadn't actually happened and they happened because these guys regularly faced good opp.

No one expected fairly low level HWs like Cunningham and Wallin give Fury the problems they did. If Fury had faced, say, 10-15 of the many better HWs during this period, what is to say that one or several of them wouldn't do one better and actually win? Not that much really. That's why I put big value in meeting a large number of the best avalailable and winning.

 

It’s a shame because I really think men like Fury are a matchup nightmare for most people. But his resume is so thin. The Whyte win was a start. He beats Usyk and maybe one more guy would do well for his all time status same for Usyk.

 

AJ has missed Fury & Wilder
Usyk has only fought Chisora & AJ so what you say makes not much sense.

 

I take it Tommy Burns is also a Top 10 lock for you.

 

Top 20

 

I see it as an impatience on the part of fans. Instead of letting the boxer prove his greatness over time. They want to anoint them with greatness after the boxer has achieved a couple of great milestones. I am sure I was like that to a small degree when I was much younger.

 

No relevance. You seem oblivious to what I responded to.