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Fury’s top wins are already up there with anyone’s. He’d be undeniably great if he beat Usyk. He’ll probably never have a long resume though. Then again, people around here rank Foreman and Leonard extremely high.

 

We have done threads on this. The amount of fights where ranked men meet each other per year is at its lowest point in history over the last twenty years. Where we used to get 5-9 fights a year of ranked HWs we now get one or two. It’s a terrible state of affairs for the sport and worse it makes it harder to truly rank men. If I have time I’ll search for the thread

 

AJ fought Wlad, Povetkin, Whyte, Ruiz,Usyk, Parker, and more. He attempted to make fights w the others.

 

Big fights and contenders fighting each other are separate issues. The big fights are more likely to get made.

 

Fury fought Wlad, who had not lost in 11 years, so you can cross that off
AJ fought Whyte for vacant British title, not a world class level fight at time, for the title vacated by Fury when he went off to beat Wlad
& Fury has since fought Whyte
so you can cross that off

Ruiz was not a top 10 boxer when he faced AJ and smashed him
AJ needed rematch with Ruiz to have any credibility
Ruiz is only considered a good win because AJ lost to him badly

Povetkin good fighter but 39 age

 

Depends.

Let's take Rocky for example, He's in most top ten lists. I nave him at 5 all-time, and some have him at 3.

Now if we look at Usyk's cruiserweight resume, they are all or nearly all, bigger men than Rocky fought at HW.

And if we ignore Rocky's lesser competition, he has about 11 to 15 very good wins, not too far ahead of Usyk, if we count Usyk's best CW scalps, he has close to the same.

Now Marciano has a (faded) Louis and a Walcott and a Charles.

So I would still Rank Rocky ahead of Usyk, even if he beats Fury and Wilder.

But I believe, h2h, Usyk probably beats Marciano, and all of his competition

So maybe Fury, Wilder and two more decent scalps would force me to consider Usyk ahead of Rocky with just 24-0-0.

 

Mostly agree.

But Joe Louis ?

 

Being cheeky there.

That would be a great fight. Joe's footwork would be tested.

 

Beating a 35 year old man 50lbs lighter and 6 inches shorter does very little to alter Fury’s wafer thin resume. The same cannot be said for a Usyk win though…

 

It would mean that he's beaten three of the four top guys since Vitaly retired. That's not bad at all, problem is how thin it gets with the second tier fighters of this era.

 

PRE Wlad, Fury's biggest opponent was the Boxing Public, but the Money Men, the Media and the Hype took care of that...

Before & Since Klit - NO One, did he even deserve that fight?

Was there a better Contender then Ranked Higher or Passed Over??

Did Boxing Politicking & Money ROB the Boxing Public once again???

Nothing against Fury the Man, EVERYTHING against Fury the Fighter!!!

 

He probably did enough to earn the shot against Wlad, certainly many challengers got one for less

 

What about Question 2?

 

At the time he got a shot from Wlad, generally Povetkin was the only higher ranked Heavyweight from what I recall, and since Wlad had already beaten him, that probably makes Fury the best option. Some ranked Wilder higher, though he had the WBC strap already. There wasn't an obvious stand out Wlad should have fought instead, and Fury was manditory from beating Chisora IIRC. Pulev was probably the next best ranked, and again Wlad had already beaten him.

 

Not sure that Usyk can beat ALL of Rocky's foes, I see the likes of Walcott and Charles putting up a fight. Maybe even old Archie. But the thing is this is HEAVYWEIGHTS, not cruiserweights. All of the Rock's title fights were consider heavyweight fights at the time. We can not really downgrade them to cruiserweight. Marciano has 7 heavyweight title fights, all against either the champ (Walcott the first time) And the 1 or 2nd contender. I can see an argument pound for pound maybe, but as it stands imo, Marciano has done more at heavyweight then Usyk.