Gassiev vs. Joshua: Who Wins? Could A Left Hook From Iron Murat Have AJ Seeing Tweety Birds?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by CST80, Oct 30, 2017.


Who Wins? AJ or Murat?

Poll closed Jan 30, 2018.
  1. Murat KO

    12.5%
  2. Murat UD

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Draw

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. AJ KO

    80.0%
  5. AJ UD

    12.5%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Does Gassiev beat Povetkin Blizzy?
     
  2. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Tisk to that sir.

    You seem to know little about big man game or posture fighting in general. Szpilka went right into Wilder's game plan and got folded for it. Wilder wouldn't be the first guy to take a posture in a position that is dangerous for him to bait activity out of his opponent so that he can study that activity to end the fight with a single punch.

    I understand Artur was ahead on punch count and if boxing means point fighting then yes Artur was winning the point fight contest, but Wilder is not a point fighter he's a KO artist. That said Wilder does have one fight in his history where he was forced to give up on the KO because he couldn't successfully bait and study his opponent. You know what Wilder looks like when he's fighting for points; Are you willing to claim you believe Wilder had in fact given up on the KO and started to work for points then got lucky? Which round did he make this shift? You really honestly believe Wilder has the skills to jump on an opening like that without rounds of preparation?

    To the untrained eye it looks like Wilder got beaten from pillar to post until out of nowhere he landed one good shot to end everything. One could tell oneself Szpilka simply got careless. Those are easy answers that don't explain the other cases or why Wilder is consistently behind on punch count then wins by KO. Looking to others who did the same does though. Wilder's no different than Marciano or Foreman which is why youse lot can't think of any criticisms they didn't receive first. Load from behind the back? Mess with their opponent's line of sight? Even if you don't really understand why each of them do it you have to recognize Marciano, Foreman, and Wilder do quite a lot more posing than most HWs. It's not luck, it's classically what you do with a late HW with natural power.

    Bait the pedigree boxer because the pedigree will be happy to assume they're winning based off their superior skills then when they're confident close their lights. It's existed since Glaukos was champion of Olympia.
     
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  3. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I do think both were having success against Wilder, I saw Spilka being very awkward for Wilder, but it was only a matter of time. Same with Washington, I knew once Wilder connects with the big right it will be all she wrote and I wrote that on the RBR.

    I can see the flaws that Wilder has and I can see the strengths that a lot of these guys on here don’t see because of their hatred. The only guy who has a chance at beating Wilde atm is Joshua and I edge it 51-49 to Wilder.
     
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  4. Jake LaMotta

    Jake LaMotta Lights Out Full Member

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    If a bum like Dillian Whyte can land on and hurt Joshua, Gassiev will have no problems doing the same thing over and over again.

    I've high hopes for the 4 top guys at CW at HW. Usyk has his superior boxing, superior ring IQ, movement, stamina and intensity. Gassiev has his all round boxer-puncher style plus power and IQ. Dorticos has a relentless come forward one-two style that's better suited against HWs rather than CWs plus great endurance, chin and power. Mairis has his insane physicality and durability plus boxer puncher style as well. Frankly they all cause the plodders and one two merchants awful trouble. They'll obviously struggle against someone like Fury who won't want to play and will stay out of range. I think Usyk and Gassiev beat Povetkin right now fwiw.

    They all have their limitations for sure, but if you look at boxrec rankings, all four would slot in at top 15 at the very lowest. Take out clowns like Miller and Whyte and they'd be top 10.
     
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  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I think this topic deserves a revisit.:sisi1
     
  6. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know it's overused, but styles do make fights, and even Usyk was tagged clean by Gassiev at one point, and he had the savvy and smarts not to show that it wobbled his legs a bit - very few other fighters could have poker-faced that shot! Joshua would either be down or on silly street if he was hit by that punch, and it's VERY hard to see how he wouldn't given his defence is nowhere close to Usyks.

    Whilst I don't think AJs chin is quite as bad as some folks make out, i don't think it stands up to Gassiev heat, and his defence is not enough to keep Gassiev at bay.
     
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  7. BEATDOWNZ

    BEATDOWNZ Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    If there was a god, he'd make Chisora/Gassiev.
     
  8. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bad match up for Del Boy at this stage of his career - too game for his own good in this one i think!
     
  9. BEATDOWNZ

    BEATDOWNZ Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    That's what I want to happen. He's stealing a living.
     
  10. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    Gassievs shoulders have perished.
     
  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Just like AJ's testicles.:sisi1
     
  12. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Look on the brightside, you'll probably get your with when Zhang violently sparks him. If they fight... I doubt Chisora sees the 5th round in that match.
     
  13. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    I’d still go with AJ
     
  14. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Joshua should stay the hell away from Gassiev. I am not disrespecting him, but Anthony is not exactly elusive, and what Gassiev hits, he destroys.
     
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  15. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    So say Joshua stays away from Gassiev, intelligently due to his own fragile mandible, avoids Wilder for the same reason. Fury clowns him so that leaves who then... Ruiz Jr trilogy? Dillian Whyte rematch?

    Seems that despite Hearn saying Joshua wants to fight four more times before 2023 ends his opponent selection is limited.
     
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