Is Fury going to duck Usyk

I agree with most of this!
However a minor point is that while all critiques of Wilder are correct, it is not he "could" be considered dangerous, with a caveat implying he might not have been for years now-regardless of all his flaws he is among the most dangerous guys out there. Fury has the size & skills, including great adaptive strategy, to beat him.
Still he got starched a number of times.

I admire the skills of Usyk more & will root for David vs. Goliath.
But there is no good evidence Fury was likely using PEDs for these recent, or any, fights.
Maybe anyone is, but if you argue about the one dubious test you are gonna hear from people more knowledgable than me about it why it is plausible that he was not lying about a source of contamination re: nutrition.

Also there is nothing implausible about either the amount of muscle he has ever had-considering his height + how much body fat he has it is not impressive for a HW...
Also there was no suspiciously quick gain of muscle mass.

 

I liked Fury, but he's getting as annoying as Wilder was with all the excuses after the second Fury fight.

Stop trolling, retire or fight, you already have zero credibility when you open your mouth.

 

Lewis vs Tyson, Mavrovic, Tua, Akinwande, Morrison, Butler, Jackson, Weaver, McCall 2, the Holyfield fights. Pretty drab stuff. Lewis had a lower finish rate than Wlad.

Bowe's opponents barring Holyfield were badly overmatched, they generally weren't good fights. Larry Donald was probably Bowe's next best opponent and he spent 12 rounds doing his best Malik Scott impression.

The Mercer's, Morrison's, Moorer's and Tua's were not serious threats to the crown for any length of time in the 90's. They don't deserve to be mentioned any more favourably than the Povetkin's, Haye's, Byrd's and Peter's.

The holding in the Haye fight was nowhere near as bad as the holding in the Povetkin fight and it's highly speculative whether it changed the outcome in a meaningful way. Wlad was following in the footsteps of Lewis, who had also been taught how to negate an opponent (especially a short pressure fighter) from Steward.

"You claim there were "plenty of good fights during the Klitschko era" which ones???? I must have missed them."

If you think about it it's virtually impossible for there not to be a lot of good fights during an era. Some of the best would be Brewster-Liakhovich, Vitali-Sanders, Povetkin-Takam, Fury-Cunningham, Fury-Pajkic, Fury-Firtha, Fury-McDermott 1 and 2, Wlad-Peter 1, Wlad-Brewster 1, Haye-Chisora, Toney-Peter 1

 

You can't use the Tua fight after I used it. Lmao. I already admitted that was a bad fight. Tua wouldn't open up and had no plans B to adjust. You're being silly including the McCall 2 fight, nobody knew McCall was about to have a nervous break down. The Hoylfield fights were exciting, what are you talking about? Plenty of action. I'll give you some of the other ones, but Lewis had more exciting fights than boring ones, certainly not as boring and repetitive as Wladmir.

Who gives a **** if Wladmir has a higher KO% than Lewis? There is hardly any difference in their KO percentage anyways, you're grasping at straws here. Everything leading up to Wladmir's KO is usually boring due to 90% of the fight being his boring jab and grab strategy. So apparently a fight is "exciting" to you if it ends in a knockout? Is that the bizarre logic you're going to use? Wilder scored dozens and dozens of KOs, is he your favorite modern fighter? Don't be a hypocrite and say no.

Yes Bowe had many overmatched opponents, but his fights weren't boring. Stop shifting the goal posts. Bowe was a big man who was willing to fight on the inside and let his hands go with overhand rights and uppercuts. He was basically the opposite of the Klitschkos.

Yes Morrison, Ruddock, Moorer, Mercer, and Tua were serious contenders and threats to the crown. Any sports writer at the time would disagree with you. Morrison, Mercer, and Moorer actually DID win belts. Tua and Ruddock both beat several ranked contenders and former/future champions. All those guys were ranked in the top 10 at one point. We were talking about how many exciting fights were being made in the 90's compared to the Klitschko era. You can't keep changing the criteria after I prove you wrong.

The holding in the Haye fight was bad enough that Wladmir had a point deducted. Anytime the ref deducts a point, there's way too much damn grabbing. This isn't up for debate. I wasn't comparing the grabbing of the Haye fight to the Povetkin fight anyways, you keep attacking arguments I never made. Yes Lewis sometimes jabbed and grabbed too much, but Wladmir took the same strategy and made it even more annoying and hard to watch. Lewis would actually throw combinations, uppercuts, and body shots.

Lmao Fury was not a Klitschko era fighter. I asked you to name some entertaining fights from the Klitschko era (which would roughly be 2000-2015). Fury was a mere prospect who fought at the very end of the Klitschko era. You desperately tried to squeeze him in there to prove their era wasn't boring. Wladmir was already 32 years old when Fury DEBUTED and Vitali was ancient and 2 years away from retirement by the time Fury had 10 fights!

 

Now that I think about it, this thread title has some credibility

I think Tury demanding A comical amount of money like half a billion is nothing more than him pumping up his ego, with his usual and expected, “I’m the best ever” schpeel, but underneath it all, he knows there is a extremely slim chance of him getting half $1 billion. A fighter has never been played that before


it’s really his way of indirectly ducking Usyk

Fury criticizes Usyk as if he’s nothing but a blown up middleweight….. but he’s an undefeated, two division, world champion


there’s no denying how good Usyk is as an elite, ultra skilled fighter, regardless of what his former weight division was


Usyk is now an, undefeated, Heavyweight, world champion who is a legit threat to Fury’s championship belt

I think any reasonable adult boxing fan thinks furys mouthing is not effective PR…..it comes across as a juvenile clown as he tries to belittle Usyk, when there’s no way in the world you can reasonably belittle this man, given his amazing accomplishments, and his undefeated, TWO division world champion record

does Fury really want to fight USYK or not…. stop the bragging 16-year-old bull**** and ridiculous money demands

 

No, he will pull out like he did against ustinov , or quit like his cousin did against canelo.

 

"Lmao Fury was not a Klitschko era fighter. I asked you to name some entertaining fights from the Klitschko era (which would roughly be 2000-2015)."

You defined your parameters poorly then, because Fury was active during 2008-2015, which is nearly half of the Klitschko era by your own definition. I was going by 2004-2015 (Vitali-Sanders to Wlad-Fury). Saying "I didn't see any exciting fights during the Klitschko era" is either extreme bias/hyperbole (an era is a long time almost by definition and every era has its fair share of exciting fights) or a statement from someone who missed the era.

A lot of this is quite subjective. For example, I don't find the Lewis-Holyfield fights exciting at all, you do. All of the fights I mentioned are in my opinion more exciting than those fights. KO's do not necessarily make a fight more exciting but other things equal they certainly do.

"Morrison, Mercer, and Moorer actually DID win belts."

So did many alsorans in the Klitschko era. As I pointed out the Klitschko era had their equivalents, the likes of Povetkin, Byrd, Peter and so on. At the end of the day in the 90's two SHW's stood above the rest as proven by both of them winning their series' with Holyfield but like the Klitschko's (who at least had a valid reason) they never fought. Both were, more often than not, big favourites dominating a series of overmatched contenders.

"I wasn't comparing the grabbing of the Haye fight to the Povetkin fight anyways"

Good but you mentioned them in the same sentence as examples of excessive holding which "changed the outcome" (highly speculative). From memory, I'd say that Lewis's holding against Tyson was considerably more frequent than Wlad's against Haye.

 

No.

This fight will happen, I’ve no doubt.

 

This, and Fury durability is just a myth, that soon will be shattered.

 

Fury was caught using PEDS, and was banned for it. HE is a proven cheater. You also may have missed it, but he paid some farmer to claim he brought meat that was tainted(it was boar meat if i remember correctly), but that farmer actually tell the truth and say Fury paid him.


Fury is still clearly on the juice, and anyone that actually know a thing on the thematic knows this.

Fighters that are lazy and have hard time staying in shape between fights, when they are not in camps are most likely to be on the Juice, and with Fury this was proven. Also you don't just gaining tons of fat and then losing it without big consequences and somehow still have decent cardio, speed and so. This is all thanks to the Juice.


Also anyone that was on the Juice knows the difference is light and day between being on PED and being clean, so no way someone using will suddenly stop using, especially when we talk about fighting and try to be in your best shape, aka zero chance Fury is off the PEDS.


Another thing that adds to my point is you don't suddenly out of nowhere losing your hair in a no time, which happen to Fury, which is a clear sign of HEAVY PED USE.

 

You may be right, but others who know about the incident describe it very differently.
I do not know if the evidence is there about things like the payoff-a thread on this would be useful to get at The Truth.
I do not recall him losing his hair suddenly, not just shaving his head.
You certainly can lose a lot of weight & regain very good cardio & speed.
Some also do stop using, but IF he did use it to get in shape then it is likely he continued.

 

If he ducks Usyk he should go down in history as the worst HW champion.

 

I guess you have a problem with the Ali Frazier Foreman era too?

 

I made a thread about it, but give it a good read on here:
[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8112635/Tyson-Furys-future-doubt-claim-farmer-offered-25k-help-cover-failed-drugs-test.html[/url]

He doesn't have any hair, he is shaving it, because he is bald big time, and this is obvious.
And yeah he lost it in a no time. It wasn't a steady process, which like normally happen.

I was always having a great thick hair, and i had a problem with baldness(on the top to the back of my head, it's not much) that occurred suddenly, and yeah it was because of steroids.
And i was using low dosage of Deca Durabolin, aka Nandrolone and low dosage of Testosterone with the supposed protectors for side effects.
And yeah dosage was very low 300mg test and 200 deca per week.

And yeah Fury hair was perfectly fine in 2013, and he was bald asf 1 year later .... And he was 23 years old back then. No one losing his hair just like that ...

 

Theres been controversy surrounding Fury for years which is why i cant stand the guy. Hes got great skills for a big man ill give him that but alot of his outside the ring shenanigans have cast a shadow over his career imo.