usyk vs muhammad ali

Yes I'm the genius who you wont answer my question that i have asked twice now I asked you a specific question why won't you answer cause I can post more people Joe fought in that time and they all were similar

You refuse to name a fighter who was a mid/high level ranked fighter from 70s-now who fought like they all fought in Joe's time just with small changes

You refuse cause it is none thats the answer which means you saying joe would do good is wrong and you know it's wrong

 

What ignorance.

The boxers haven’t gotten better.

Not for years.

Since the sport’s roots, but not for decades.

The fighters don’t just keep getting better.

Again, great fighters are great fighters, who could compete in any era, based upon styles.

The top 10 HW’s today aren’t the best HW’s of all time.

Even a genius like Usyk would have struggled with Joe Frazier and Mike Tyson of 35-50 years ago, based upon styles. Why? Because everyone has a stylistic nemesis, and Usyk’s is the smaller pressure fighters, as he’s small with no power.

 

WTF are you talking about?

You asked me about George Foreman TWICE, who had success in the 90’s.

Read this carefully:

Nobody in the 70’s fought exactly like Joe Louis.

And what?

Who fights like Mike Tyson today?

Who fought like Ali in the 80’s?

Your question is meaningless.

What are you saying?

That because there was no one who fought exactly like Joe Louis in the 70’s, it means that Joe Louis couldn’t have fought and had success in that era?

Again, great fighters are just great fighters.

 

How would this guy have done in the 70’s to 90’s?

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The boxers keep getting better, right?

Is this 50 years of boxing evolution?


The only glaring changes in style, are from the times when the fighters fought in tiny gloves, under different rules. They had to fight differently then.

Apart from then, we’ve seen all sorts of different styles.

Again, you use what you have.

You invent your own style which is best suited to your size and your attributes.


You can’t say that one particular style is now outdated.

All of today’s top HW’s have completely different styles from each other.

They don’t share the same style.


Joe Frazier found great success years after Joe Louis, yet he didn’t have the skill set that Louis had.

Frazier’s style would work today against SOME guys, just like in his own era.


Again, Usyk is a genius. But nobody else fights like him, and if he fought every great HW of the past, he’d never be able to retire undefeated.


You cannot look at a guy like Ali and say that his style is out dated and that he wouldn’t have success today, as he’d easily be countered etc.

It’s just complete nonsense.

Ali would have success today because he was a great fighter with a lot of great attributes.

However, of course some fights would be harder than others, based upon who he fought, as again, there’s many different styles.


It will always be like this.

We have brawlers, swarmers and great boxers. We have orthodox guys and we have southpaws. We have guys who possess huge power and guys who don’t. We have tall SHW’s who possess a big reach, and much smaller guys who don’t. We have guys who are really fast and guys who aren’t. We also have guys who all weigh completely different weights. It’s what makes the sport so interesting.

 

I don't accept it because it's not true - what are boxers better at nowadays, specifically?

 

Ali would run circles around Usyk. No contest.

 

That question should already be obvious if you watched people who are mid carders or underrated look at them and compare so yea its true as in general way better so you maybe haven't seen enough or stuck in a era

 

He would run but is he more technical no thats obvious

 

It's interesting who's this poll changes when Usyk stops Fury ?

 

name a fighter who was a mid/high level ranked fighter from 70s-now who fought like I showed the video of joe and max i want exactly those 2 styles that you seen on that video name the people,.... I asked you this yesterday I just want some names can you do that? its all I want nothing else I want names

 

Ken Norton beat Ali and Usyk is better than Ken Norton. I say Usyk by UD

 

Wow, what a thread. Usyk is a great fighter but I don't understand this mythical status he's achieved in like 3 fights lol. I'd like to see him completely dominate someone in this era before i say he even belongs in the ring with someone like Ali....

 

Please read the following carefully:


What you have seen in your video which you have uploaded, is 2 tentative fighters who respected each others power.

In your video, they were quite cautious where they didn’t want to over commit to things.

It was the stylistic match up that made them fight like that.

However, those guys didn’t fight in that manner in every fight that they had.

You need to understand that before we continue.

That snippet is not a true reflection of how they were.


Now Joe Louis was knocked out in that first fight.

However, in the rematch, he was not in any was as cautious.

He went out looking for revenge.

In the rematch, he let his hands go and was much more aggressive, resulting in a fight which was fought at a higher pace.

You can see for yourself here:

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You do not judge a fighter’s career based upon one film of grainy footage.

Do some more research.

Joe Louis was fast.

He had fast hands.

His style and level of aggression etc, depended on who he was fighting.


Now you are trying to paint a picture of Joe not being able to have survived the 70’s and the 90’s, because of where he was slower and cautious in ONE fight that you have put forward.

Yet there were lesser fighters, with less dynamic styles who HAD success in the 70’s and 90’s.


Joe Frazier is one of my favourite ever HW’s.

However, he was less skilled than Louis, where he had a basic, less dynamic style than Louis.

Yet it brought him huge success, but 20 years after Louis had retired.


Once again, Joe Louis was a great fighter, who’d have had mixed success against the other HW greats, again, depending on how he’d have matched up with them on the night stylistically.

Now unless you go way, way back, where they were fighting under different rules, there is no such thing as an outdated style.

 

How is that relevant?

We know that it’s never as simple as that.

It’s never just about how good they were, it’s about how they’d have matched up stylistically on the night.

Also, 2 of those fights were fought when Ali was way past his best.

 

Its no need to talk more on this with you cause you purposely won't do what I asked which is simple to do which is give me names