usyk vs muhammad ali

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Ali va usyk

  1. Usyk k.o

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  2. Usyk u.d

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  3. Ali u.d

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    44.5%
  4. Ali k.o

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  1. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    Ohh my God. :facepalm: On top of everything else you’re one of those who says Usyk is “Small” with “No power” While fronting like you’re a keyboard Bert Sugar.

    Wow. You aren’t even worth going back and forth with :D

    Have a good one there professor
     
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  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I despair.

    Another great addition to the forum.


    You’re supposed to be looking at a fantasy fight between both guys in their prime.

    You’re supposed to be looking at how realistically they’d have matched up on the night.


    Why would you even mention the Spinks fight?

    What next, Berbick and Holmes?


    My logic isn’t based on the Briedis fight, Einstein.

    That was an example of HOW YOU are debating.


    Run along you donut.
     
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  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He has already dominated an era of fighters at CW that all would be fairly big HWs during Ali's time (especially the 60's and early 70's). He has beaten about half a dozen world class fighters that all would be HWs during Ali's time, so it's not like he's untested against men that size.
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Usyk is small with no power.

    Which is why he’d match up with some guys, better than he would with others.

    He matched up well with AJ, because he was elusive.

    Being small isn’t always a disadvantage.

    It depends who you’re fighting.

    Mike Tyson’s small stature often worked in his favour. It was an advantage to him.
     
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  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ali was ahead on all the cards when he stopped Mildenberger, unlike Usyk when he stopped Belew, who was KO'd at LHW.

    Mildenberger was tricky for Ali in the early going, but "life and death" is just silly.
     
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  6. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Ali edges it on work rate. He has a big speed advantage on Usyk.
     
  7. Monnever

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    He is odd I asked him name a fighter who was a mid/high level ranked fighter from 70s-now who fought exactly like Joe and max he refuses
     
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  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I’ve already answered your question.

    So you’re obviously just trolling.

    Nobody fought like Joe did in that clip.

    HOWEVER, Joe HIMSELF didn’t ALWAYS fight like he did in that clip.

    He fought differently in the rematch, as well as in the Conn fights along with many others.

    Your video is not a true reflection of how he fought.

    Joe Louis would have done fine in both the 70’s and the 90’s.

    He had a lot of great attributes, and was BETTER than many of the LESSER fighters who found success in those eras, as well as some of the fighters in this current era.


    There’s nothing remotely outdated about this:

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    Go and look at today’s top 10, and look at how they all fight.

    Lesser fighters than Louis have troubled AJ, Fury and Usyk etc.

    Ruiz and Wilder etc, only wished that they had the skill set of Joe Louis.


    Both of you clowns need banning from the forum.

    You’re obviously 2 alts.
     
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  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Usyk's optimum fighting weight is not 221lbs. Fighting at that weight detracts from him and he only bulked up to that weight because the HWs of today are, in case you didn't notice, freaking 240-270lb giants. If he fought in Ali's era he could come in at what he was coming in at CW or what he was coming in at in the WSB so 207-213 max.

    He was super fleet of hand and foot at CW and contrary to what many think he can punch a bit when he wants to.

    Gassiev and Briedis have never been down in their entire careers nor even really been hurt.

    Hunter has never been down apart from the technical KD he suffered against Usyk and he campaigned up at SHW in the amateurs against giants like Fury, Cammarelle, Timurziev to name but a few and he's fought giants up at HW in the pros like Bakole, Kuzmin, Ustinov etc. all of whom he hurt, dropped, or dropped and stopped.

    Glowacki has subsequently been stopped but if you actually watch their fight Usyk boxed to orders from his then trainer James Ali Bashir and at no point did he even try to get Glowacki out of there

    Bellew was practically sparked out

    Huck was stopped

    Mchunu was stopped

    And everyone of his opponents pre Glowacki were stopped too

    A 6'3'' 207-213lb supremely skilled versatile southpaw with fast hands and feet, very fluid and coordinated, with sublime footwork, who is as light on his feet as a lightweight, with a granite chin, the heart of a lion, frightening self-belief, and a crazy engine that would fit right in the 15 round era is a serious problem for every single one of those HWs from back then and before.

    But one of the judges scored the Briedis fight a draw doe

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  10. Monnever

    Monnever Member banned Full Member

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    Where am I trolling at by asking you directly to answer my question? and I dont know where that comes from that I'm 2 accounts he isnt aggressive as I am

    Find where you answered my question the exact way I asked for which is names only from 70s-now mid/high fighter who were top ranked find the names cause I dont see anywhere where you gave me names only which is what I specifically asked for multiple times I didn't ask for anything else from you...

    Cause I gave you 1 match from Joe and max who he fought i can show other matches that shows those 2 moved the same in every match

    As I said earlier I asked chok a direct question I got a direct answer same with 70s they answered me directly why can't you
     
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  11. CooperKupp

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    I’ve seen him on here totally dismissing the 168 GOAT before too. He DKSAB
     
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  12. Monnever

    Monnever Member banned Full Member

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    He knows just stuck in era's and refuses to just admit what videos show
     
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  13. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    Being taller is always an advantage, but some short people know how to fight in a way that makes use of their diminutive stature. Ie they don't try to fight much taller opponents like they are the same size. Torrez and Tyson are really good examples of guys who knew how to fight like a short person, whereas on the other end Tua and Povetkin tried to fight like they were the same height as their opponents only with less reach.
     
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  14. Monnever

    Monnever Member banned Full Member

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    Taller isn't always a advantage when the person is facing a person a person who they might have a stylistic or skills disadvantage against or a person could just could not be know how to use their reach good
     
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  15. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    Actually, I'll rephrase. "Being taller is always an advantage as long as the taller person knows how to use their height".
     
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