Better Chance Against Tyson Fury: Jack DEMPSEY or Joe LOUIS?

Neither one nor the other...

 

I'm perfectly fine with people not agreeing with me here, but I think crouchers would flourish in the modern era. I'm looking at Dempsey and Frazier, in particular. The amateur system has become a hamster wheel of upright stiffs who rely heavily on straight punches. Outside of someone like Usyk, who unsurprisingly handles guys larger than himself because of his fluidity, I find most of these guys robotic, reserved, and lacking badly when fighting on the inside. When I assess what evidence I can find, like Fury's struggle against the quicker and smaller Cunningham; Povetkin's success in the "Giant Era" (the closest thing to an old-school practitioner); Wilder's difficulty with Szpilka; it appears to me that punching down against a moving target is not something these guys are particularly good at.

Fury is more adaptable than others and can fight on the inside and bang to the body a bit, but he gets by with it in part because the others are so poor at it. He misses a lot of shots because of his conditioning. If he tried that aggressive strategy with far shorter, tighter punchers like Louis, Dempsey, Frazier, Holyfield, etc., I think it's lights out for him. The jabbing, moving Fury of the Klitschko fight has a better chance of getting it done, though I'm not convinced he doesn't get clipped or drawn into a firefight at some point.

 

The use of the word "chance" here is something that I would examine before continuing any academically scrutinizing process on this topic.

 

Very interesting. Thanks for the info.

Though as one example, in the case of the Burns - Johnson film where the film freezes in round 14 - they say that is the moment the police stopped the fight and cameras -but I’ve definitely seen that footage continue for several seconds longer. - at the freeze point Burns looked like he was going down for all money - but the extra footage shows that he didn’t.

Someone on this forum who had seen the extra footage also even suggested that it might not even have actually been round 14 as depicted but an earlier round instead.

 

Two of the greatest heavyweight s ever, it's a tough one.

 

How both were to basic and clumsy

 

Louis but both get schooled

 

He might be wrong, maybe not. But what’s definite is you’re a know nothing classless **** wit. “Inside fighting” is that what you call what Tyson Fury does? What did @djanders do to you exactly to deserve your spew?

 

You mean like when Jirov got beat up by Toney?

 

the longer these boards gone on, the more evident it becomes RECORDED Historical Facts matter not.

Fury isn't even a great in this time, nevermind Historically.

Look to the Recorded History, and I don't just mean Fight Records & Title Status... I mean Longeviety at the TOP, Opponents, Opponent's Opponents, Title Defences, ACTUAL Fight Reports and of course Skill, Talent and Prowess.

it's like Left Wing politics, "We're right, we're always right" ... Regardless of DOCUMENTED FACTS.

Fury is a great guy, that's all he is,

as a Skilled Boxer & champ - Historically, he is 2cd Rate. Sorry.

 

STFU, everything I said in that post was spot on, ‘inside fighting’ is a misquote, I said Fury can fight on the inside, he can. I’m not even a fury fan but to think Jack Dempsey can beat him is ABSURD, a sloppy 180 pounder from a CENTURY ago who’d probably be a super middleweight nowadays. Idiot

 

I didn’t say Jack Dempsey could beat him but acting like it’s an absolute fact for Fury to win in such a shallow classless way to Djanders of all people is a cardinal sin. He can’t fight inside he looks like absolute trash and it’s viable because hardly anyone can fight inside anymore.

 

He can`t, he just holds and grabs fighters in a headlock on the inside, he`s purely an outside fighter with an amazing reach and really fast hands and great timing.

 

He wouldn’t need to fight Jack Dempsey on the inside and even if he did he’s nearly 100 pounds bigger than him, I’d give Dempsey a 1% chance of winning the fight, 1%. This nostalgia about the likes of Marciano and Dempsey competing with modern heavyweights is just absurd, fighters and particularly heavyweights have massively improved, technically, physically, everything. Marciano and Dempsey would be two super middleweights/light heavyweights now, and they’d probably get battered by the likes of Beterbiev Kovalev etc, so can people pack it in with the Dempsey vs Lewis/Fury BS, it’s not realistic