Better Chance Against Tyson Fury: Jack DEMPSEY or Joe LOUIS?

Although Louis is better than Dempsey, I do think the Manassa Mauler has a better chance to beat Fury. No matter how you Fury's talents, there are a couple of undeniable truths. One, at worst, he's good. Two, he is a tall man with a long reach who uses his size to his advantage fairly well.

I think Dempsey's fierce, come forward and blast out his opponent style gives him a decent chance to get inside and do damage. Louis who had very nice but subtle footwork didn't really come forward that way. He was more a of a stand and box with his opponent guy and he would win because he was better than them. Certainly he could hurt Fury if he could hit him often enough but I am not sure he could.

 

Surely you’re not serious? And NO, I didn’t call you Shirley. I’ve noted you don’t provide initial proofs and then don’t answer anyone’s follow up questions YET on the very heels and citation of those deficiencies you ASK a question?? LOL man, it doesn’t work that way.

You made a statement in the first instance without the evidence you claimed was in abundance - the burden of proof is on you - and if you feel okay saying that the proof isn’t required because people will just disagree with it - well obviously I could reply in kind.

Your approach to debate and making your case is not even handed and doesn’t, in fact, make any sense.

 

can you tell me the person who joe fought who was as big as fury with his skills?

 

Not dismissing your giving Dempsey the edge over Louis in terms of taking Fury out - I might disagree but it was well reasoned.

I’ll just say I thought Louis was reasonably aggressive and go forward against larger opposition such as Carnera, Buddy Baer and Abe Simon.

Of course Fury presents more notable difficulties than that trio but Louis did lick his lips over much larger and slower (relative to Joe) targets.

Louis might’ve had difficulties with the smaller, more mobile and clever targets like Conn (Usyk currently plays that role himself) - which is actually often the case for a lot of fighters, not just an Achilles heel for Joe, - but the reasons for those difficulties didn’t converge with, translate to or take from Louis’ proven aptitude for taking down relative giants.

I think Lewis would be that much more difficult again for Louis (as compared to Joe facing Fury)..but even vs Lewis, I see more than a few positives there for Louis’ chances not to be dismissed out of hand.

 

I can see your points clearly and I appreciate what you are saying. My dad always thought that Dempsey and Louis would have been a great matchup because of the diverse styles. Fifty five years later they still provide an enjoyable dichotomy.

 

Still making NO sense MoneyTheMan12.

That question is EASILY answered - but then how many questions will be answered FOR you BEFORE you even answer one?

I told you, it doesn’t work that way.

Sheered down, it reads that you have little or no rationale/facts to back your one eyed, end point opinions.

“Joe Louis, low tech. No modern movement.” And that’s all she wrote??

Provide the proofs of your claims and/or answer the questions that have been put to you FIRST.

You still haven’t answered several simple questions overhanging from another thread. Your “in” tray is overflowing.

 

So true, quite the fantasy match up for the contrasting styles and perilous power both men bring to the table.

It’s funny, in some fights, watching Louis, I think “do a bit more man, you’ve got all the tools” - but that was Louis’ economy, he was actually more energised early in his career.

Even as great as Joe’s jab was, sometimes he also curiously didn’t employ it as much as he should’ve (at least in my non expert, arm chair opinion).

I love Louis’ record in rematches - a case of the old axiom “Fool me once, shame on you….” - or however the great orator, George W so elegantly put it, if you like…LOL.

Then there’s Dempsey who I have a lot more time for than I originally did - particularly given reading in far greater detail about his bullet train run to the title and the related fights therein.

Although we don’t have film of those pre title bouts, we can marry the Willard film nicely - since it corroborates the style and ferocity described in the literature - an amazing crescendo point, if you will, to his tear to the title..which we reliably have on film.

Imagine Jack threading his way in with the Dempsey roll to crack Fury with the same left hook that first sat Willard down in the opening round?….that’d be cool…

 

Actually, you mentioned all relevant Dempsey big opponents. You didn't do that for Louis.

 

Do you think he likes movies about Gladiators? On one hand i'm thinking they'd be too ancient and poorly skilled for him, but on the other..........................

 

Louis by the length of the straight for me.

 

LOL, very low tech and using James Figg like apparatus- but they may well get the thumbs up from some, not the thumbs down - having said that, just to be clear where I stand myself, hahaha:-

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I’m liking that call. Are we talking incremental dismantling and ultimate destruction - ala Da Preem but more protracted since we’ll give Fury a bit more credit than the Ambling Alp?

Fury might’ve pulled a Lazareth and arisen against Wilder but not so against Louis…no miracle comeback. Louis begins ungloving as soon as Tyson hits the deck. The Gypsy King is Dead, Long Live….”. Haha.

 

No throat slashing gesture from Louis, just a return to the corner, back turned!

 

(insert the arbitrary condition that Jack hasn't eaten anything in 3 days so therefore will kill Fury with a single punch)

In all seriousness though, Jack coming out of the crouch will be a nightmare for Fury. No doubt his signature Dempsey roll will help him get inside the pocket and close to Fury where the real work can be done. Jack can match Fury when it comes to the intangibles, determination, heart, will. whatever you want to call it. As much as Dempsey will be spent after round 4, Fury doesn't have a very good gas tank either. I'd go against the odds and bet on Dempsey if this fantasy fight were real, hoping he'd win by some means, but in reality I am expecting Tyson to win by jabbing from the outside, unless Dempsey can reliably close the distance often enough to negate Fury's jab I can't see him finding success.

 

In 2 or 3 rounds Louis will have gathered all the information he needs to know to incrementally break Fury down imo. Fury will not recover against Louis like he did Wilder, no chance in hell. If Fury is hurt and hits the canvas, there is no way I can imagine Louis doesn't get the KO. Louis has boxed better, stronger, and faster men. Fury is just big.