Andrés Ponce Ruiz Jr. vs. Luis Ortiz & Isaac Cruz vs. Eduardo Ramirez RBR.

Wilder has destroyed a chin or two in his time. Just ask Artur Szpilka...

 

missed the fight. How were scorecards so close if Ruiz dropped Ortiz 3 times?

 

Right. I was watching some of his older fights today. He was pretty sharp. Now he just looks like he's on skates. The legs aren't there.

 

Oh he'll definitely land it, what I don't think he'll do is follow it up with volume to prevent Wilder from recovering and force the ref to stop the fight.

 

Because Ortiz won just as many if not more rounds. The difference was the knockdowns.

He just couldn't stay off the floor.

 

So I guess Wilder-Ruiz will be made next spring or summer. That fight doesn't last 7 rounds.

 

Ortiz out boxed him for the whole fight.

 

Andy won the fight by virtue of the knockdowns. He otherwise looked too hesitant. He really should have stopped Ortiz in the 2nd. Andy has great reflexes but just doesn't produce enough between his moments. Ortiz still has power and skillbut his ability to take a punch is shot.

 

Except Ruiz isn't a big puncher. I would see your point if it was against a puncher like a Klitschko, Povetkin, or AJ but it was against a guy with a low KO %. I couldn't see Foreman or Vitali Klitschko doing a chicken dance against a guy with Ruiz power, even in their 40s.

 

When someone has 400 amateur and pro fights, and they don't start going down until the last couple fights ... and they are in their mid 40s ... it's age.

If he was chinny and went down two or three times in every fight his whole career, he'd have been floored more than a thousand times.

He's been down, what, nine times ... ever? And five of them came in his last two fights.

Give the guy a break, Christ. People get old.

What do you think Andy Ruiz will look like 11 YEARS FROM NOW when he's Ortiz's age?

Hell, Ruiz barely won tonight.

He'll just be two nipples and a puddle of tattoos.

 

Well shows you how bad the rankings were 7 years ago. Who else was in the top 5? Does he beat any of them?

I mean maybe he would have beaten Pulev but I'm not sure about that. I'd take him over Stiverne and Glaskov but those are really bad fighters being in the top 10. I know Stiverne hit lightning twice against Arrerola but he didn't do anything after that. And he lost to a journeyman early in his career. I think today's HW landscape is better, by far.

 

Golovkin is 40 with zero KD's suffered and zero KO defeats, not 43 with 6 KD's suffered and 2 KO defeats, GGG is not taking HW punches and is known for having one of the best chins ever. This is an absurd standard to judge Ortiz by. Ortiz's last impressive performance was probably his first loss to Wilder or at a stretch his win over Cojanu, both more than 4 years ago. His athleticism and punch resistance have been on the decline for a while now.

 

Ortiz has always been incredibly overrated. Ortiz has been exposed in his last two fights and is really no more than Charles Martin level.

 

I kinda disagree on this one. He still doesn't have his leggings, and take a lot of time to get up and continue. If such KDs aren't counted, then fighters will do it intentionally to get extra rest to recover either from the first KD for example.
He was clearly not right, and there was punch landed before push, so i would score that as a KD.