There are not many worse losses for a top HW in their prime than Joshua losing to Ruiz

All he had to do was not get into wild exchanges in the pocket with ruiz that night, but his ego at the time was gigantic (for good reason too). And he was never the same after that night.

 

We should put it into perspective. No one saw Ruiz beating Joshua, and that is bad.

But Ruiz wasn't as bad as he is now. He lost a lot gaining and losing body weight, which is bad for your muscles, heart, liver, and blood pressure.

It was a loss he shouldn't have taken. He is not the first, and not the last.

 

To be fair to AJ, losing to McCall and Rahman is not big achievement as well. Klitschko lost to Purity as well, even though it was due to throwing million punches and empty his gas tank and having nothing left.
Brewster loses kinda too.

Won't mention Sanders cause he was insanely skilled guy with insane speed and southpaw.

Also people loves to forget that Ruiz was late replacement and AJ didn't take him seriously, which is his fault, but still. He also had Ruiz down, goes on barrage got caught by huge counter on the temple, got concussed and his legs/energy was just gone.

Yeah it hurt him, as every loses hurt, and rematches is not the same, but he school Ruiz 12-0, and show that this was a bad night at the office.

 

Vitali losing to Byrd was worse, or Wlad to Sanders. Tho Byrd did have a successful title reign.

 

Byrd was very good and Vitali sustained an injury. I don't think that one is comparable.

 

Man shutup Reg. A loss is a loss and thats what this thread asked for.

 

Vitali won 8 out of 9 rounds. He had a torn rotator cuff, which could end your career.
Not a bad loss, bad luck actually.

 

Exactly. Losing on a technicality to someone who was supposed to lose i.e. Byrd is just as bad even worse than AJ losing to Ruiz. Byrd was a better fighter, more capable than Ruiz ever was.

 

Yes, it always was a terrible loss, just excused by fans and Matchroom propaganda. AJ is far bigger than Ortiz and was obviously far younger too. Ortiz actually did better here than Joshua in the first fight with Ruiz.

The myth was that Ruiz was a skilled boxer. Because everyone knew he didn't have big power. How laughable that is now.

Ruiz just got out-boxed by a slow middle-aged shot Ortiz. He would have lost if Ortiz wasn't dropped and why that's important is that Ortiz wouldn't be hurt by Ruiz years ago, before Wilder badly KO'd him twice and he got more miles on the CTE clock from other fights, not to mention being in his 40s where basically all fighters lose their resistance.

It is ABSOLUTELY clear that the Ortiz Wilder fought, who was already quite old, would have easily beaten the Ruiz that bashed up Joshua.

Btw, Ruiz isn't any worse than he was, he's still young by HW standards and is the same weight he's always been: obese. He's also been very inactive so taken little damage relatively speaking.

Face it, folks, this is the thing AJ lost to then had to have a super special training team, new tactics and a big Saudi ring to beat by running in the rematch.

Thanks, Ortiz for helping people get some additional perspective on Big Joshie.

 

Nice Wilder propaganda on here.
To be fair Ortiz may always carry that China town. He goes down from the first solid punch that land. Same on Martin, same on Wilder actually. When that myth comes that Ortiz has a solid chin ? He simply doesn't. And to be fair they are all familiar the way he goes down. Wilder just keep him down.

And that Ruiz is like 100x time worst than the ones that beat AJ.
Ruiz is also heavily inactive, this was his second fight since 2019.

But the difference between Ortiz and AJ, and what could be, should be, blq, blq, blq is that AJ actually rematched Ruiz and beat him 12-0. Schooling him clearly.

 

You’re speaking as if Joshua being unable to knockout an obese over-280 lb man who barely trained is a great achievement

 

Did McCall actually trained for Lewis fight ? Hell he didn't wanted to be in the ring that night in all fairness. He was not fighting at all in any of the rounds. He wanted OUT, he was forced to fight. But people somehow give Lewis all the credit in the world.

Let me make it clear for you.
RUIZ was clearly 150x better than McCall in that night. So i actually rate AJ rematch win over Ruiz way better than Lewis one.
I can say the same for Klitschko rematch with Brewster, but people have short memory.


Ruiz was at his best against AJ 1. His absolutely peak, he would probably never ever again find. He just say it in the press-conference.
He was very active, and just had fight before AJ, which was a bless for Ruiz, as we know how lazy he is. He took the chance, and actually bust his *** at that time. Unlike what he did after won the title, aka party all time, and not give a **** after that. And since them he is just dreaming, talking big, but not putting in the works.
Maybe also his body is not letting him as well. A body can take so much abuse, you know ?

BTW Ruiz said exactly the same thing. He was very active during the AJ, and was very sharp, and feeling confident that he can withstand any big punches. He said he doesn't feel the same right now.

 

To be fair to AJ he dropped the blob and then casually thought it was his next KO, and got clipped and never really recovered.

It was embarrassing as because Ruiz isn’t the most powerful the world just watched him batter AJ for 3/4 rounds