Prime Mike Tyson vs Usyk

Love Usyk and think he’s currently underrated. That being said we don’t know how he would handle a great shorter swarmer type (Frazier Marciano Tyson etc). He has the footwork and discipline to trouble anyone in history..,I mean anyone. He’s that good. His resume like Fury is rather thin though.

 

Tyson overwhelms him like an air strike on a straw bunker. He beat AJ and Chisora…

 

Some of Tyson’s best performances/KOs still coming by way of La La Land I see and even that movie was incorrectly awarded the # 1 nod.

I also see 1990 Mike has been culled from the discussion already, wow - but Usyk gets no such cropping. Warts and all treatment.

Putting style aside, in broad terms, the Douglas fight proved, at the least, that Tyson wasn’t invincible as people thought - dare we say, Mikey was a tad overrated?

That Mike was flat in Tokyo is only half true. The whole truth is that 42-1 favourite Mike was flat(tened). Even an allegedly flat mere 23 yo version of such a prohibitive favourite should’ve still emerged victorious.

If Douglas isn’t everyone’s analogous stylistic cup of tea, how about a mobile, well chinned and not particularly hard punching James Tillis who was in the midst of his own career lull (does that count or do we only factor Mike’s perceived lulls?). Does James approximate more closely to Usyk?

But Mike wasn’t prime for Tillis I hear many say. Okay, more convenient cropping. Mike was near enough to prime.

Also, pre prime vulnerabilities might be later mitigated but some weaknesses never go away completely - see Ali, Cooper, Left Hook, 1963.

I would prob favour Mike, maybe. Old story, if he wins, it’s via the up to 4 round KO mark.

Usyk has about 4” to 4 1/2” height and 7” reach advantage. He’d also be punching down - favourable for certain types of punches (eg: straight left) - so perhaps even some more power in evidence for this particular match up than we’ve seen Usyk display to date at HW?

Old story again, if Usyk gets through the first four rounds then his betting “cash out” for the win rises dramatically.

Hmm, if given 5-1 underdog at the least from the outset, I would be laying down some good $$$ on Oleksandr. Beware the Ides (and uppercut) of Buster.

Okay, just giving the fantasy cauldron a nice, healthy stir.

 

Tyson is a bad style for Usyk but I don’t think Mike KOes Usyk. Mike will win the early and mid rounds but I fell Usyk would win most of the late rounds with Mike winning 8-4 or 7-5.

 

Tyson vs the Bodybuilder would never go 24..............or ANY rematches because it would make Tyson/Bruno look competitive, Tyson absolutely butchers AJ in short time, 10 out of 10., absolute demolition job...................if you spit your mouth piece out and quit against a non ranked morbid obese light hitting Taco sales man who had zero notably wins except a loss to the tame Samoan, a total dud aka Pant dry Parker.............yet this Fatso beat the bodybuilder with out much fuss, he even let him off the hook to catch a breath otherwise the fight would have been over way sooner.

Tyson would be charged with Man slaughter against local clubfighter Chisora who never ever won a meaningful fight.................yet Usyk went the distance with both of those two Brit cream puffs.

Usyk is feather fisted, no defense wizzard who get nailed a lot and his entire Heavy record consist of a total bum, a clubfighter and a Marketing Hype job Bodybuilder.

In order to trouble Tyson you need size, lots of movement, a consistant ram rod jab and real sauce on your follow up shots, Usyk has movement, thats it , it aint enough.................he is tailor made for Tyson.

Tyson was 19 vs Tillis with the flue and still won......easily.

Douglas had a much better resume at Heavy and fought more talented Heavies until the Tyson bout

Prime Bowe would also put some serious hurt on Usyk

 

I would favor Tyson, but not so heavily.
You write some great posts, but really, Usyk has no defense?
His movement is part of an excellent defense.
I did not know Tyson had the flu vs. Tillis-who lost 3 of the last 4-any link is welcome.
But by no measure was that a "Tyson won easily" fight.
It was close, some thought Tillis deserved the nod, he was gaining momentum, if more than 10 maybe Tyson loses.

Also Usyk as a semi-pro & the endless CW matches are relevant.
When guys are rehydrated & weigh as much or more than some of Tyson's prime opponents-yes Tillis, Berbick, Spinks...
You need to consider his successes beyond the label of the division due to real in ring weight, strength & power.

 

So is Chisora then a peak performance by Usyk?

 

Chisora's aggressive swarming style bothered Usyk it wasn't an off night, I know what your trying to say. If Tyson is allowed that excuse why isn't Usyk, but I think your well aware of Tyson's preparation/problems aswell as poor corner work for Tokyo, so I don't feel like i need to point that out.

Another problem is Usyk is still pretty unproven at Heavyweight, so I don't really think he has had a peak performance yet at Heavyweight.

 

Tyson by homicide. Usyk has nothing that Tyson would respect. Unless Usyk shows up with a powerful jab that can inflict pain, he would fall victim to withering shots to the body.

 

I'm aware that Tyson after the fight has come out about poor preparations, as most fighters that lose a fight. I'm also aware that Usyk said Chisora was a bit of an off night for him. So let's take both or neither on their word, no?

That Tyson's s corner made the difference in him getting outclassed or not is a bit far fetched to me, to put it mildly.

Finally, yes, Usyk struggled a bit in the early going, but Tyson got his ass handed to him. Big difference.

 

I think Tyson might well dominate early, but Usyk looks extremely hard to stop. He has top notch foot movement, head movement and a tight guard so is very hard to hit clean and when that happens he looks to have a grade A chin. The same in terms of heart and recovery. Can also seemingly take body punches very well.

And if he's still in there and not badly hurt after 5-6 rds I'd expect him to take over. I can see a very tight decision either way with Tyson dominating the first half and Usyk the second.

 

Tyson's corner had no enswell for his eye, they had to use a rubber glove. I'm not saying it made a difference in the outcome, but it was pretty poorly managed corner. And Tyson did have a badly swollen eye, and they had nothing to treat it with.

Tyson prior to Douglas fight got floored by Page in sparring and had looked off, we have that evidence on film, and we all know of all the other issues aswell which I'm not going to go into.

Douglas also fought the fight of his life, its bit different than a journeyman Chisora fighting wildly with no real skill. Compared to Douglas putting on an ATG performance.

Also Usyk to my knowledge had no issues in training, or no prior issues before the fight. Chisora gave him issues because he pressured Usyk not allowing him to fight at his pace, i don't think it was anything to do with an off night. Breidis also gave Usyk issues with his pressure, so are they both off nights ? Or is it just that Usyk might have issues, when a fighter is able to really pressure him ?

 

Actually body punches are Usyk's weakness, hes been floored as a pro and amateur by body punches. And even Joshua briefly had Usyk distressed with body punches.

 

That's it, Usyk is a good fighter but he has nothing to keep Tyson off him and sometime in the first 2 rounds Mike corners him and slams a left hook to the ribs which freezes the Ukrainian and a right hand applies the anesthetic that puts him to sleep.

 

Great Tyson circle jerk thread.

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