Andrés Ponce Ruiz Jr. vs. Luis Ortiz & Isaac Cruz vs. Eduardo Ramirez RBR.

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  1. ShortRound

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    It's always fallen off after the best few: [url]https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_Heavyweight--1970s[/url]
     
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    I feel ortiz may have been discovered a little bit too late and if he'd have turned professional earlier would have carved out a very good career for himself.. the fact that he's 43 at least lol and he's pushing the likes of Ruiz close says a lot..
     
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    Hot take: Ruiz knocks Wilder out. Any half-decent counter-puncher has a field day against Wilder.
     
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    Cally Sand...sand... nothing but sand! Full Member

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    What a load of old rubbish that bout was, I stayed up for that rubbish, i need to give my head a wobble sometimes.

    Ruiz is ok for very small spurts, I'll give him that, but it's just for very small spurts , yeh he has fast hands for a flurry or two and then does nothing for 2mins 59 seconds lol..
    any decent big heavyweight with half a brain, decent ring IQ , that's not 99 years old beats him handily.
     
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    Jackman65 The fatigue is real… Full Member

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    Mares looked slow and shot, ready for retirement. You KNOW Tank’s people were on the phone before the fight was over. They found Tanks next opponent! No Hope Mares is the PERFECT opponent for Tank. His fans are chumps and will not understand what is happening. Protecting a coward fighter who only talks tough. Still treating him like a prospect as he approaches 30. This is no accident. If they thought he could beat top fighters he would be facing them. Just milking the chumps for more $$$ with a flawed undisciplined fighter. First top fighter he faces will expose Tank. Real fans will know but his fans will chalk it up to a bad night. Chumps.
     
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    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ruiz shoulda got the nod over Parker as well. So, he's done a lot more than Ortiz has. Ortiz has not beaten a top tier fighter.
     
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    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I tend to agree with your assessment of Davis. It's kinda repulsive seeing him propped up as some superstar.
     
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    Wilder's not exactly iron-chinned. He got rocked by Molina and Ortiz, and stopped by Fury. If Ruiz hits him with a good shot, he can stop him.
     
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    Ruiz has a better best win on paper but he's nowhere near as good a fighter as Ortiz was 5 years ago. Their performances throughout their careers have demonstrated that. I'd be willing to bet that if you swapped their lists of opponents around, Ortiz would have fewer losses, quite possibly zero and Ruiz would have one or two more. Puritty arguably had a better win than Vitali ever did: setting aside the fact that Vitali dominated Puritty, does that make Puritty better than Vitali? It's an extreme example but the principle is valid.
     
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    Ortiz was more than just a half decent counterpuncher 4.5 years ago when he was undefeated, never knocked down and defacto 30-0 with 28 inside the distance but he was down on the cards after 9 rounds against Wilder and got KO'd. A-side Ruiz scraped past a 43 year old Ortiz with 2 KO defeats and 6 KD's received. If there was ever a time to beat Wilder it's now he's going to be 37 with 2 brutal KO defeats in his last 3 but I suspect he will destroy Ruiz and if he does he should get full credit from those who are picking Ruiz to beat him.
     
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    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    BS. Ortiz never best a top tier fighter. Put the pipe down. WTF you mumbling about Purrity....:risas3:
     
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    Neither did Vitali, neither did Tyson. Ruiz must be better than both of those guys, Puritty too because they had better top wins on paper.

    You've been destroyed so you're resorting to trolling like a immature, childish buffoon. I've got no time for you.
     
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    Noel857 I Am Duran

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    He comes across well here
     
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    The fact that a mediocre puncher like Ruiz could drop Ortiz so easily certainly takes a lot of luster off of Wilder's wins against Ortiz. And, it isn't like this was some new and improved version of Ruiz. He came in plodding and out of shape as usual last night. Ruiz is basically a modern day David Bey with slightly quicker hands, but, less power.
     
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