Is nobody here giving helenius a chance against wilder?

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  1. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    I've got Helenius by KO provided no money has been exchanged under the table. He's in a great space mentally, coming off two dominant KO wins over Kownacki and looks to be in the best shape he's been in years. Meanwhile Wilder is coming off a brutal stoppage, injuries, weight fluctuations and looked noticeably slower in his last fight. If Wilder legitimately beats Hellboy I'll be impressed and consider it one of his better victories, despite Helenius having already lost to two of Wilder's previous victims. I just have a good feeling for Helenius in this one, and hope some of that Pavlik vs Taylor magic rubs off on him.
     
  2. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Wilder has anything left, he should easily beat Helenius, who is more or less finished.

    In the first Kownacki fight he looked on the way out - until he surprisingly turned the fight around. The second fight Kownacki had lost all confidence in himself - which made Helenius look better, than he really is these days.

    Of course Helenius always has a punchers chance - but I will be very surprised, if Wilder doesn't get rid of him inside 5 rounds.
     
  3. Levook

    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I never consider things like a boxer's mental state or gym stories, etc., when it comes to picking a winner. I just try to picture each guy at their best, fighting.

    Wilder by KO within 6 or 7 rounds.
     
  4. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member

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    I give him zero chance . He is to damn easy to hit. Which spells a perfect opponent for Wilder who has speed and accuracy. If he can take Wilders punch is his only hope
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    Of course he has a chance. Wilder has been knocked out twice, Helenius has legit power and is in the form of his life.

    But Wilder, despite his detractors, is a very good heavyweight. He's a level above Helenius.

    From Klitschko to Usyk, there's been 3 HWs of note, Fury AJ and Wilder.
     
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  6. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    This will be a malik scott dive affair. Mark my words
     
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  7. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    I think that Wilder will knock him out but Helenius is seriously one of Wilder's top opponents outside of Fury and Ortiz
     
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  8. Forza

    Forza Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Small chance. He fights way too straight up, he's a sitting duck for the right hand. I really do hate how they had an entire camp together and already know each others best moves.
     
  9. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic War for Souls Full Member

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    Wilder has a puncher's chance :D
     
  10. blackfella96

    blackfella96 Active Member Full Member

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    I think Wilder gets him out in Round 1 or 2. Helanius has power and size to trouble Wilder, but don't think he'll get to even warm up before Wilder lands on him.
     
  11. snake33

    snake33 Active Member Full Member

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    Helenius has a hard enough punch to take out Wilder but will he land his bomb first ?
    The odds are with Wilder but I'd like Helenius to win.
     
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  12. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    I'd place him fourth, right above Nichols.
     
  13. drenlou

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    Hes got a pretty good chance of making it a good fight. I think this was the perfect opponent for Wilder in his comeback.
     
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  14. kirk

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    I've actually just watched the Helenius Kownacki highlights... and first off... what a headcase Kow is. I don't think I've seen such a low blow display since Golota. Crazyness.

    Anyways...

    I've gotta say, I'll be happy to be wrong here but I really think they picked the wrong comeback opponent for Wilder.

    Someone else mentioned they've been sparring partners before, so that is a good sign I'd think (though not necessarily... everyone has sparred everyone at some point) but at least Wilder will know what to expect and have some experience already.

    But idk... I think a healthy and motivated Helenius is just a bad risk right now.

    Then again I do have to remember that Whyte beat Helenius... puts it into perspective a bit I guess.

    Still though, I find this to be a risky assignment for Wilder and I'm not quite sure why they chose him.

    Wilder is rightfully favored of course... but this has potential to turn into a physical back and forth brawl that will do Wilder no favors at this stage and getting stopped here himself wouldn't be overly shocking, imo.

    I think Charles Martin or Miller would have been a better selection for a comeback fight.
     
  15. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh!

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    Very dangerous fight for him. Helenius is coming off the best form he's had since at least 2011. He will definitely be motivated and they may have bitten off more than they can chew like with Fury I. It's a big mistake if they're expecting the guy who lost to Washington and Duhaupas to show up on the night - This is a much better Helenius. Nobody will be surprised if he wins this in early devastating fashion, but an upset especially on the back of those two thrashings to Fury should not be ruled out. Barring the Fury and Ortiz fights this is easily the best matchup Wilder has had in his career on paper.
     
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