TBH I think fury is pissed as he wanted to go give Usyk a good hiding and sail off into the sunset by the end of the year. Now he has to wait and he doesn't really want to because its cutting into his retirement time.. Will be an interesting fight Usyk won't be an easy walkover but I think this will be a very motivated Fury which no one will want to fight against (jut ask Wilder)..
Whilst I agree with you if a delay is required by Usyk it will be for a genuine reason. I can't say the same for Fury. Who has shown a habit of pulling out and blue balling like with the the Joshua fight knowing Wilder could well pull the rematch for the third fight. So yes you maybe correct however most people seem to have a short memory when it comes to the history of these things.
Usyk is delaying, he has explicitly stated as much. He can be forgiven for it. Fury isn't delaying the Usyk bout. So it's an odd exercise to imagine and suppose the nature of his reasons for causing a delay that he isn't actually causing. I think that's a new one on me. Blame Fury for things Fury isn't doing. By the way, the only significant contemporaneously impending bout whereby one might have had some room to place blame on Fury's shoulders for its failure to materialize is Wlad II. And, without raking through the old history in extensive detail (though I could do that if necessary), that ultimate cancellation had as much to do with the media witch-hunt surrounding him at the time as anything else. Unless you believe the loss of Fury-Ustinov to be significant or something.
I mean, flip the scenario around. If Usyk's rematch with Joshua had been staged in April and Fury's mandatory meeting with Whyte had dragged out to August, with Fury then stating that he couldn't be ready to do the Undisputed bout in December, he needed time to rest his body and spend time with his kids, he would be getting crucified right about now. Don't even pretend you guys wouldn't be ripping him. I'm not saying Usyk's requirements are unreasonable. I'm saying that they would be deemed unreasonable if the situations were reversed. Certainly on this forum. Anyone who tries to claim otherwise is a wanton bullshitter.
I think Usyk gets a pass for the Ukraine war. Its like oki, do undisputed in february. Or have Fury fight in december who he wants then fight before summer. Both s e scenarios are cool imo. But they need to fight summer 2023 at the latest.
Not going to listen to what this lying fat, arrogant, narcissitic, loud mouth trash heap again. And I'm not talking about Trump! Can't he be civil for once? And crapping Usyk, who has never verbally attacked him or any other opponent, who fights and lives clean and is in fact a great honorable boxer....FFS.
Fury is talking a lot of **** about Usyk. Which is good, it will be even sweeter when Usyk whoops his ass and gives him his 1st L! I also think that him talking this much **** about Usyk is a sign of nerves, Usyk has Fury rattled. He just can't believe that a "smaller" heavyweight can be disrupting the heavyweight division like he is.
I clearly stated your maybe correct. I wasn't denying what you were saying merely pointing out historical fact. It doesn't rewrite Fury's history. again I clearly stated the bait done with the Joshua fight previously knowing full well Wilder could/would arbitrate for the rematch. I don't blame Fury fully for this as Arum was stating the very same despite being a qualified lawyer.... The point being some people are full of BS therefore I believe it when it actually happens and not before. I hope I've made myself clear on this point.
Agreed. (Usyk getting a couple more months to rest and have a life would be understandable even if the war wasn't a factor, by my lights.)
A history which can and has been distorted to argue that Fury is much more avoidant of big challenges than he actually is. That's your gripe? (I haven't read the whole thread. I tend to skim and rarely read these Fury pile-ons in their entirety.) I'm quite sure Fury legitimately wanted (and expected to get) out of Wilder III. Not because he was scared or ducking (as some hilariously allege even now, which tells you that the guy is damned whatever he does), but because he'd effectively already beaten him twice, public and industry enthusiam for a third bout was low compared to their first rematch and Joshua was a fresh challenge for all the marbles. On the other hand, if he was just ****ing with Joshua and Hearn for kicks, knowing full well he could not legally escape the Wilder trilogy, who cares? That's what's called a wind-up, no? You can argue that it's a jerk move, but it certainly wouldn't constitute avoidance of Joshua if he had no option but to face Wilder.
1) Fury has taken plenty of softer fights you can't even begin to defend that point compared to Joshua. I believe you are misunderstanding what I'm actually stating. I never said he was scared however I was infurring that Fury is tactical the same way Mayweather was. That isn't a criticism it's an observation based on the past. I don't need to 'distort' anything I say it as I see it. 2) I don't disagree Fury could have well be trolling but that kind of proves my point on intent.
Tyson effectively rolled off the couch and went to Joshua's chief doubter's back yard and schooled him, then walked him down and smashed him up when almost everybody said it would be suicide to attempt it. That will forever be factually etched in history. Joshua's fans here (and elsewhere) celebrated Fury's victory over Wilder as if their guy had accomplished something. Now Tyson has to play big brother to Oluwafemi yet again and once more show him how it's done. Fury will meet Usyk when Usyk is ready to go. The rancor on these pages when the smoke from that bout clears will be the stuff of ignominious internet legend. This time next year, Fury will be terrified of Joe Joyce. Book it.
Oluwafemi's murderers' row is something of a myth, by the way, which has already been ably deconstructed by discerning observers on this forum. Fury has the better résumé. Defeating Wlad when he was king and taking out Joshua's chief doubter, both on away soil with the odds stacked in his rivals' favor, clearly seperates him.