Ruiz has more chances to beat Wilder than you can think

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  1. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    Given that if Ruiz got serious with Joshua in the 2nd fight Bodybuilder would have lost the rematch too.

    Said that Im convinced if Ruiz faced a Wilder in good shape and the Dosser was able to KD Ruiz im sure he would get up, would land two or three bombs on Wilders temples at a short range like with AJ and Ortiz and Wilder would go asleep. Wilders chin after Fury is no longer good as once.

    Ruiz KO's Wilder within 7 rounds imo.

    Agreed?
     
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  2. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Just curious to see if Helenius can put any dent in Wilder before he gets slept.
     
  3. navigator

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    Ruiz has underwhelmed since he shook up the division in Joshua I, but he's a good boxer, so Wilder can't overlook him, even if fans do.
     
  4. Boxing2019

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    Wilder beats Helenius with a skull dent and with an ear drum and the right hand broken imo.

    Helenius is overrated for have beaten a polish bum like Kownacki.
     
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  5. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Remember a bigger Polish bum gave Wilder some trouble.
     
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  6. Boxing2019

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    Yeah but i remember he never was in trouble like instead he was with Ortiz 1 for example , however at the end Wilder found the way to unleash the right hand and ...lights out for Spilzka.
     
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  7. UnleashtheFURY

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    Of course he does. He has a pulse, unlike most opponents Wilder has been in the ring with.
     
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  8. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Yeah, except being out on the ropes and saved by a bell and some quack coming in to check Wilder over giving him more time, never in trouble.
     
  9. ShortRound

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    It largely depends on what Wilder has left. He's taken two severe beatings back to back now and he'll be 37 when he fights Ruiz, as a fighter who is highly dependent on his athleticism. As his athleticism declines he will have to rely more on his chin, which is also getting worse.

    That being said, Wilder should dominate Ruiz. Andy is basically another Stiverne 1 or Arreola but with less power and length and no overall advantage in footspeed or durability. Ruiz won't even be competitive on the scorecards when he gets stopped as Wilder has a massive length and footspeed advantage and a good jab, along with the power deterrent.

    Their relevant mutual opponents, all of whom Wilder beat before Ruiz:

    Wilder KO3 Morales, Ruiz 59-55 Morales
    Wilder KO1 Liakhovich, Ruiz 98-92 Liakhovich
    Wilder RTD8 Arreola, Ruiz 118-109 Arreola
    Wilder KO10 and KO7 Ortiz, Ruiz 114-111 Ortiz
     
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  10. Boxing2019

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    Maybe you didnt get it or I didn't know how to explain. I said he was not in trouble with Spilzka not with Ortiz 1 where he was saved by the bell, the doctor and the referee. All know that.
     
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  11. Boxing2019

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    On the card is how you argue but you are not considering the big motivation of Ruiz to regain the title thats to say he could be much more aggressive with Wilder than with Arreola or others. A pi**ed off Ruiz becomes really dangerous for everyone.
     
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  12. drenlou

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    Only if he can get on the inside. His arms are too short for him to box Wilder on the outside. Also If he doesnt get himself in better shape hes going to be in big trouble against Wilder, because if he looks how he did against Ortiz its game over.
     
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  13. Mitch87

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    More chances than I think? I already think the guy with who is technically superior, with the superior hand speed and toughness beats the overrated chinny guy, with a glass chest that can't box on the back foot at all, with a padded record against cherry picked low level opposition - has a very good chance of beating him.
     
  14. ShortRound

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    Ruiz doesn't have anywhere near Wilder's level of motivation; Ruiz's slobbish career attests to this, even before he became rich. Stiverne 1, Duhaupas and Arreola all came at Wilder aggressively (tempered by the threat of Wilder's power, and Ruiz was clearly wary of 43 year old Ortiz's) but Wilder was able to outmanoeuvre and put beatings on them. It should be a similar story with Ruiz, who is in my view outside Wilder's top 6 opponents (Fury x3, Ortiz x2, Stiverne 1). Ruiz is effective within his niche but at 5'11 with short arms, slow feet and even a lack of power, he's inherently very limited.
     
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    "beats the overrated chinny guy, with a glass chest that can't box on the back foot at all, with a padded record against cherry picked low level opposition"

    Ironic and hilarious considering that this is an overstated but basically correct description of Ruiz's demolition of AJ in the first fight.
     
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