Tyson Fury vs Muhammad Ali

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  1. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    I agree except Ali would own him. Tyson is a boxer and hes not gonna be able to outguess Ali from the outside. By the 5th round Fury would have to consider stopping it from the facial damage.
    Fury looks quick today against other slow giants with primitive skillsets but Ali was middleweight fast.
     
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  2. cross_trainer

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    Middleweights are also middleweight fast. But they don't often beat elite fighters 30 pounds heavier.

    Ali was blazingly fast. True. But he also exploited size advantages during his peak years. It's the other way 'round here.
     
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  3. thistle

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    Exactly, his SIZE and Protected Inactivity and Selection, certainly NOT Any Special Skill, which is 2cd/3rd Rate.

    AJ & USYK or NO Legitimacy...

    PERSPECTIVE Right Here - Lil' Klit - BoxRec: Wladimir Klitschko 30 TOP Fighters before Fury and AJ after him... 19 years and 67 Fights before Fury.

    Fury - BoxRec: Tyson Fury 7 top fighters (generous), before Wlad in 24 Fights and 3 after Wlad for 32 Fights total = NO LEGACY.

    Only AJ offers an acceptable Stamp to consolidate some measure of Legacy, but over HISTORY Fury needs BOTH USYK and AJ.

    PERSPECTIVE!
     
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  4. Punchdrunk1

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    Did you see Wallin's last fight?
    He certainly didn't look like a world beater.

    Fury is talented for a huge guy but if he was shrunk to Usyk's size he would look very average.

    And as for today's heavyweights being the most talented ever.....lol
     
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  5. 70sFan865

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    You say this about any contemporary HW, don't you think that you overstate their abilities a little bit?
     
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  6. Mteslamiller

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    I pick both the 60s Ali and early 70s Ali to beat Tyson Fury, despite his size.
     
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  7. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Delusional BUT Determined Full Member

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    Excellent boxer? Ali couldn’t block a left hook to save his life, pulled back and got punished by crude small cruiser weights like Bonavena and Mac Foster FFS.

    Frazier a guy who trained up in weight who only knew how to throw a left hook and got hit at will chased him down three times, he couldn’t adapt and had to tough it out every time they fought.

    Three times against Ken Norton he couldn’t take it to him or figure out getting past being “jabbed with” Ali was very good, great even for a HW but as a “boxer” in the scientific sense he was a hot mess just a very, very tough one.
     
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  8. Richard M Murrieta

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    reznick posted this on March 27 2021 but that is okay, it has been a while buddy.
     
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  9. brb

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    I would think it would be very difficult to fight Fury even for Ali. He would get tagged coming in whether it is from the outside or the inside. People think the guy is some magical ninja - he's not. Fury would anticipate any attacks and neutralize them. Ali would probably score a few times, but not often enough to win the fight.
     
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  10. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Delusional BUT Determined Full Member

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    He was almost always the bigger guy. Not always the tallest in the case with a C grader Terrell but he was easily so much better and “bigger” Ernie isn’t a place holder for what Ali would do to Fury because Ernie himself is a dwarf, bean pole by comparison and half the boxer of Fury.

    People awe at Foreman as if pushing Evander Holyfield around while outweighing him by 40 odd lbs matters. Well how about Ali who put Foreman wherever he wanted him, shoved him around and controlled the inside? Ali again abused his strength and reflexes for that one.

    Here he is facing someone and I’m going to bring this up again… who is creating a size difference greater then the one Ali held over Patterson by quite a big margin. That’s not peanuts.

    it’s generally accepted by some that Patterson lost not because he was less skilled but because that was the end of the road for Patterson sized guys and yet when it’s Fury playing Goliath, Ali turns into HW Benny Leonard who’d absolutely master him with no real evidence to support that at all.


    Really you could say there is more evidence he wouldn’t beat Fury then then contrary he is deficient in nearly every advantage he used to hold and his normal style here would be disastrous. Fury holds all the aces expect for not fighting in the 70s.
     
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  11. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Delusional BUT Determined Full Member

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    Muhammad’s style greatly depended upon his height, toughness and strength people act like he was some lithe boxing ballerina that was always playing David… he was Goliath!
     
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  12. SomeFella

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    Bonavena and Mac where 204 and 211.75, so heavyweights. If you go by "weight drain rules" then prime Ali is a cruiserweight too, thus no imbalance.
    I don't know what you mean by this.
    That's not really true, and requires ingnoreing how well he used his hook.
    Like Norton, Frazier countered Ali's style perfectly, and still won the series 2-1. Also Joe Frazier chases everyone down.
    Ali wasn't prime for any of those bouts and the 2nd at least was rather close and suggests he would've beaten Norton in his prime.
     
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  13. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    I'm fine with people who think Ali wins, but I agree with you that consistency is important. I don't think much of the generally unspoken, but customary understanding that there was a golden line drawn in 1962 that made elite heavies after that point competitive with modern guys.
     
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  14. Richard M Murrieta

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    Hey I remember the children's morning puppet show, Davey And Goliath, Gee Davey ! Ha Ha.
     
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  15. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Delusional BUT Determined Full Member

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    You seem to have fallen into a propaganda trap. If he made Ali struggle then he is great and if he’s great Ali must be great because he beat him…
     
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