2014 :Deontay Wilder Vs Vitali Klitschko?

The Bodybuilder spit his mouth piece out and quit against a morbid obese non ranked nobody Taco stand owner whose claim to fame was loosing to Paint Dry Parker............

He froze against a feather fisted blown up cruiser whose entire Heavyweight resume is build on a bum, a local club fighter and a stiff as a board glass chinned low IQ Bodybuilder...............

Your Buddy AJ is done , stick a fork in him, you fell hook line and sinker for the Eddie Hearns"said" marketing BS.

As for the topic, VK was old as F in 14, he could not even put local club fighter Chisora to sleep.................VK if could would but in reality he stepped up twice and lost twice..................VK never ever beat ANYBODY of substance.

 

Ruiz's loss to Parker was controversial and close, and Joshua won the rematch vs Ruiz 12-0.

He's not my "buddy" i don't even like Joshua or any of the Heavyweights much right now the only one i really like is Usyk.

2 levels above anyone Wilder has ever beaten.

Chisora is normally pretty durable he also went 12 rounds with Usyk, Fury, in competitive fights.

Well didn't Wilder fail when he stepped up vs Fury ? his best win is over an OAP.

 

Vitali pounded away on old man Briggs, Peter, Arreola, Chisora, all big wide open flat footed targets with leaky defense. Round after round Vitali landed dozens of flush bombs and couldn't drop any of them. Wilder is taller, faster, smarter, and more elusive and athletic than all of those opponents, but an injured 43 year old Vitali coming off a 2 year layoff is just going to blast Wilder out of there? On what planet?

The same people who accuse posters of having nostalgia bias being clouded by favoritism for an older era boxer they prefer are ironically doing the exact same thing hyping up an out of shape old Vitali to easily stop a prime Wilder. You cannot claim to be objective and then make such an illogical pick. I'm not even saying Wilder would win, but to suggest he has no chance and gets taken out early when several cavemen quality opponents were able to last 10 or more rounds is silly. Which tall, prime, athletic, hard hitting opponents did Vitali ever KO?

 

They all lost in one sided fashion so i don't see your point, and i never said Wilder gets taken out early, but assuming Vitali is injury free and is in fighting shape. I don't see how Wilder with his limited skill set beats iron chinned Vitali. I also don't see how Vitali beating opponents in one sided fashion, even if some fights went into later rounds is a knock against him, when Wilder himself has shown suspect stamina in the past.

Wilder looks for the right hand all night he's one dimensional. Yes he has very good power in the right hand, but his skill set is very limited and although his power can bail him out of trouble. I don't see that being the case against iron chinned Vitali, because he wouldn't be landing frequently enough, and one shot out of the blue isn't going to do it against Vitali.

Same question for Wilder.

 

If you think vitali blows wilder out in a few rounds without even working up a sweat then stick with it..

 

Never said that but i do think Vitali stops him late on, Wilder may have some moments in the fight. But i don't see his right hand out the blue, having as much as a dramatic effect on Vitali like it did Fury. What people don't realize about Fury is he hasn't got an iron chin like Vitali, he can be put down and hurt as evident of his knockdowns vs light hitter like Pakjic, Cruiserweight Cunningham. But what Fury does have is very good recuperative powers.

 

People seem to want it both ways with Wilder. He gets blown away by Fury and that's "one of the best performances in heavyweight history" and now people think Fury can beat Ali easily, but there's no respect for Wilder to come out of it. Average chin? Wilder stands straight up (and is often off balance) and ate nothing but heavy leather from a big, hard punching fighter round after round. How can Fury's wins over Wilder be great, but Wilder be an exposed trashcan too? It doesn't add up. Wilder has limitations and some crazy blind spots of basic technique, but he hits really hard, he's tough, and he's the most awkward power puncher ever. His ability to swing wild and also land a tight bomb reminds me of George Foreman. Yes, he fought a lot of no-names, but I could argue Vitali doesn't have a win as good as Luis Ortiz on his whole record. Wilder also never quit in a fight and was hopelessly outgunned in all 3, but specifically the last 2 Fury fights. I just think this is way closer than it is being stated and the myth of "h2h Vitali" that has been around since TKO6 and specifically lingering since his first retirement is inflated.

 

That's what me and a few other members have been saying, before the Fury fights Wilder was known as the bum killer. Now since Wilder showed some heart vs Fury he's got more praise recently. So as you rightly said it's either we slightly underestimated Wilder, or Fury isn't quite the master boxer we all think. Or maybe it's a combination of the two that's for you to decide.

Your right but Vitali has never been behind in any fight he's ever had, and whilst his resume is not exactly filled with ATG's. He beat pretty much every opponent in one sided fashion. So of course a 6'7 iron chinned Heavyweight is going to do well H2H in my view.

 

And yet he couldn't knock them out. Wilder isn't a flat footed wide open caveman that just stands there absorbing punches like a sponge.

You do know this thread is about an inactive 40+ Vitali coming out of retirement? You do realize he retired BECAUSE he was dealing with multiple injuries and his body was breaking down? That version of Vitali probably shouldn't be favored.

That is not true. Wilder used a jab and lateral movement to beat Stiverne. He used uppercuts and took advantage of his range against Ortiz in the first fight. He used hooks against Szpilka. He used body shots and combinations against Fury. Sometimes Wilder gets too eager to focus on the right hand but he has demonstrated other game plans before and sometimes knows how to fight tall using his athleticism. He certainly showed more imagination than freaking Arreola, Peter, or Chisora who charge in like buffalos over and over 99% of the time. Literally the only boxers Vitali fought who had more skill than Wilder were probably Byrd, Lewis, Hide and maybe Sanders. Vitali lost two of those fights. The vast majority of his opponents didn't have an ounce of ring IQ. Wilder would be bringing many thugs to the table that would take Vitali out of his comfort zone.

Gerald Washington and Malik Scott were tall athletic prime opponents. So I'll ask again, when did Vitali ever KO such an opponent? What makes you think this will be easy? Vitali is used to just teeing off on slow stationary targets with leaky defense. Wilder timed Fury and dropped him 4x in two separate fights and Fury is way more elusive and defensive than Vitali.

 

You make good points I can't argue with any of it TBH, I guess I didn't factor into Vitali's injuries regarding this mythical match up. And I also didn't factor into Vitali's form regarding this match up.

But I'm just not that impressed with Wilder when I see him fight, and as I said in a perfect scenario if Vitali is perfectly fit to fight, and I'm assuming he would be. Otherwise he wouldn't get in the ring with a hard puncher like Wilder.

I don't think Wilder has the skills to beat Vitali, and Wilders get out of jail free card his right hand power. Wouldn't have a dramatic effect on Vitali like it would Fury, simply because Vitali's chin is granite. And I don't see an out of the blue right hand sparking Vitali.

So what else could Wilder do to beat Vitali ? I don't see it. Unless Vitali's form seriously erodes or injuries play a part in the fight. I don't see Wilder winning the fight.

 

Vitali was taken 12 rounds for the first time by his tallest opponent: 6’7, Sprott-victim Hoffman, in Germany

Vitali lost to his best opponent: near-38 year old, 12 months inactive, 6’5, career-heaviest, final career fight Lewis, in America

Vitali lost to his 2nd best opponent: late sub Byrd, in Germany

2012 Vitali: 40.5, had a very tough 12 round war with his 3rd best opponent Chisora, in Germany, active

2014 Vitali: almost 43 years old, 20 months retired

2009 Vitali against Arreola: absorbed 86 punches, RTD10

2016 Wilder against Arreola: absorbed 52 punches, RTD8

Objectively speaking this is a complete mismatch. Even prime for prime the fight would be highly competitive, with Wilder posing a significant combined cut + injury + KO threat over the 12 rounds. Against a decrepit, almost 2 years retired Vitali, Wilder would have the advantage even in the pointfighting based on vastly superior athleticism and would be favoured to get the KO.

 

"A fresh prime confident Wilder would easily be one of Vitalis top 5 opponents."

Easily top 2. There's a good case that Wilder would go through Vitali's entire record unbeaten. Lewis was complacent that night and would be at grave risk of eating a big right and getting sparked. Barring Fury, the quality of opposition during Vitali and Wilder's title reigns was similar.

 

Vitali's career was over at that point. He hadn't anything left and retired rather than face mandatory Bermane Steverne. Not a duck when it was time to retire.
He'd lose badly to Wilder because he hadn't the ability to avoid Wilders punches. He was too slow

30 y/o Vitali beats Wilder. 43 Vitali gets stopped. Just because Fury beat Wilder doesn't mean every other Tom Dick and Harry can.

 

Vitali would SLAUGHTER 2014 Wilder omfg it would not be competitive, this would be better if it was prime Wilder vs 2014 Vitali lmao (Vitali is old yes but Wilder equally inexperienced and just terrible at boxing comparatively and generally)

 

I never said we can assume Wilder sparking Vitali out with one hit is a likely outcome. I'm just saying Vitali is easier to hit than Fury and both would be awkward opponents for each other due to both having fairly thin resumes and rarely encountering decent fighters their own size.

Yes, Vitalis age, injuries, and inactivity would be very big factors in this matchup. If it was prime Vitali it would be a completely different discussion. 2014 Vitali wouldn't be anywhere near "perfectly fit to fight". I think that version of Vitali would struggle with Whyte or even Kownacki.