Tyson Fury vs Muhammad Ali

It was never 100% confirmed but not too long prior to the first Ali fight he was said to be working 29 hours days down mill. Not exactly the best preparation.

 

I guess Ali would find a way to win a decision

 

Their's also a near universal agreement that his loss in athleticism, speed, coordination, is because a 3 and a half year exile and absolutely NOTHING to do with Parkinson's. He very rarely took any punishment in his first career that would've given him severe brain damage. It's also VERY rare for someone his age at the time to develop Parkinson's even if you believe it's in his genetics.

Could you point to me where he looks "weirdly uncoordinated" on film pre-manilla to the point it effects his performance? Preferably, specifically in bouts against Frazier and Foreman since they're the ones being disparaged for losing to an Ali with Parkinson's.

 

Not likely.
Fury on points.

 

MacFoster hit Ali at will? That's either trolling or delusional.

He landed some in one of the rounds where Ali stood right in front of him and clowned, but over 15 MacFoster didn't have much joy.

Bonavena more in that case, but in no way shape or form did he hit Ali at will. And you scoring that fight for Bonavena just goes to show your wild bias. Or that you're trolling.

 

Outside of Ali, Frazier had a much better resume than anyone any of your heros Louis and Tyson beat.

 

One can make a case for Fury without going completely bonkers. Just like one can make a case for Louis as greater than Ali. Then you will actually be taken seriously as well. But some posters don't see that road apparently.

 

I think Ali would slice fury up, landing a lot of punches then moving. I don't think Fury would effectively roughhouse Ali either. Ali would probably peg Fury in the face with a lot of 1-2s and float on out of there. Wallin is a bit taller than Ali but with less reach and other intangibles. If he can find Fury, Ali will find Fury a lot. Wallin was not much heavier than Ali, either and yet Fury didn't bulldoze him. I think Fury has had some great performances among a middle-of-the-road era for heavyweights, but hasn't done enough to convince me that he's going to beat Ali in a hypothetical fight.

 

Wallin is 6-6, 235-240ish, his reach is listed on Box Rec as 78", same as Ali's, but at his height it's probably longer. Also Wallin is a southpaw. Ali was 6-3, 210ish in the 60s, not exactly close to Wallin in size, Wallin is a southpaw, almost nothing about Wallin and Ali was similar. And, remember that 60s Ali had arguably his toughest fight with a 195 pound southpaw, Karl Mildenberger.

Fury didn't "bulldoze" a 6-6, 236 pound, undefeated southpaw? How many heavyweights in history fought a good southpaw and especially one even close to Wallin's size? Beating Wallin should be thought of as an impressive win for Fury. 1960s Ali struggled with a much smaller southpaw.

 

1. INTERIOR MGM GRAND - CHALLENGER OTTO WALLIN BEING INTRODUCED AND WALKING ON STAGE (FIGHT WEEK WORKOUTS AND NEWS CONFERENCES TOOK PLACE AT MGM GRAND WHILE FIGHT WILL TAKE PLACE AT T-MOBILE ARENA)

2. WALLIN GETTING ON SCALE AND WEIGHING IN AT 227 POUNDS (103 KILOGRAMS)

3. CHAMP TYSON FURY BEING INTRODUCED AND WALKING ON STAGE WEARING LUCHA LIBRE (MEXICAN WRESTLING) MASK

4. FURY ON SCALE WEIGHING IN AT 254 1/4 POUNDS (115.3 KGS)

Wallin 6'5.5" 227 lbs 78" reach
Also Ali's reach (not from Boxrec) is commonly accepted at 80" but has been listed as high as 84"

 

Bang on.

Ali only got hit by Foster when he was literally not even trying to avoid the punches. Sort of in the same ballpark, see Ray Leonard showing absolute disdain for Ayub Kalule’s power - punches I believe Ray could’ve avoided IF they were of any true concern to him.

No, I don’t rate Usyk as comparable to Ali - but let’s see him face Fury to give an idea of how Tyson actually deals with a mobile, fast, busy and an intelligent fighter.

Based on what I’ve read recently - why the hell is Fury going to fight Joshua (after back to back losses to Usyk), Fury forcing Joshua’s hand to fight in December, just 4 months after the second loss to Usyk?

Usyk is the man to fight and a date in Feb 2023 (as I believe Usyk suggested) is more than fair. Imo, it is Fury who should put up or shut up re Usyk.

It will serve Fury right if AJ pulls an upset himself - stranger things have happened - especially when a fighter (Fury) thinks he’s taking on a soft touch (damaged goods).

 

Are you saying he should never get hit at all? Even Maidana landed scoring punches against Mayweather. We agree that Mac wasnt hitting him "at will"?

Every fighter benefits from the flaws of the other...that's how fighting works? And as you were already told Frazier, Ali fight or no, Still has a great resume. I'm sure some people might overrate Norton from time to time but there is no propaganda in Norton's fights with Ali or the FOTC especially.

You mean the same fighter Ali TKOd in 12 rounds? And go beat by fighters Ali beat?

 

"Bonavena was ahead on points". "Unbiased".

Coming from the same person. Rich.