Alvarez-Golovkin 3 - Things That Surprised Me

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  1. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    It was the same thing in the Bivol fight but I thought that had more to do with Bivol than Alvarez. In hindsight it definitely appears to be a combination of both.
     
  2. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The more agile Canelo we saw from 2015-2020 is gone, I feel.

    His best and most impressive run was from Chavez Jnr to Saunders. He looked mediocre against Plant until the end (constantly reset, turned and timed with the right hand by Plant) while Bivol just took the air out of his entire system.

    Personally I am glad he lost to Bivol. Had he have won, he would have tried to challenge Beterbiev and probably gotten brutally massacred as a result. Then the wheels would have totally fallen off the Canelo train and his aura would have gone. DAZN would have tried to replace him ASAP as their cash cow too.

    Maybe the hand bothered him or maybe he is in a sharp decline.

    I mean, 17 years is a looooong career.
     
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  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He needs to recharge his batteries, repair the hand damage he said he has. 24 rounds vs Bivol and GGG in 4 months will take its toll. I wouldn't say he looked in sharp decline though, he looked really sharp early on vs GGG. The speed and punch accuracy was there early. Canelo does gas late, but the gas tank was better last night than it was vs Bivol. Still leaking though. But we need to keep in mind though a lot of the reason why he gasses late is because of how hard he's working in there. He loaded up with big heavy shots against Bivol and GGG. The way Canelo punches would gas anyone. It was still a very impressive performance all things considered.
     
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  4. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    You said a lot and I agree with some of it. I do disagree with Canelo having speed. He looked quick early in the fight compared to the Golovkin statue he was fighting but he looked slow compared to the Canelo of years gone by. Same thing with your "loaded up with big heavy shots comment". He did load up but not with a lot of them and certainly not enough to cause him to tire like he did.
     
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  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fair points, the speed disparity was very apparently early, GGG looked like he was fighting in slow motion. You could say that's age, but the interesting thing is that GGG's hand speed seemed to really pick up in the late rounds. While I agree Canelo's no longer at his peak, he hasn't had a sharp decline either. This was still a great performance from Canelo.
     
  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    GGG's slickness in the first half of the fight sapped Clen's energy reserves. Clen was loading up with big hooks and the only thing they were catching was thin air. I pointed this out in the RBR in the very first round and after a few rounds I actually thought coming on strong in the second half of the fight after letting Clen deplete his gas tank might have been the game plan. But as we saw with Murata in front of a capacity crowd in the Saitama Super Arena earlier on in the year GGG's battered old engine takes a lifetime to get going these days whereas when he was in his prime or still had enough left in the tank to whoop the ass of the likes of Clenelo and co when well past it he was bolting out of the gate like a greyhound. But Father Time is a formidable enough adversary without having Father Inactivity working in conjunction with him as his tag-team partner. It was a sad spectacle watching GGG's ghost amble back down to his well and return empty handed. Even his slow-fast speed he's had to rely on of late had deserted him
     
  7. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    LOL @ Father Inactivity. Nice post.
     
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  8. JOKER

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    Manny Pacquiao competed for 27 pro years. 17 years is but a silent fart with no smell.
     
  9. shadow111

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    This part I agree with Serge. GGG is like an old engine that takes a while to start. He did look like he was fighting in slow motion early on, but by round 9 and 10, it looked like the same GGG from 4/5 years ago. The hand speed all of a sudden was there again, and he was loading up on shots. When he did land, Canelo felt those shots and they slowed Canelo down.

    GGG I think was too "stoic" early on. While Canelo was in motion, warmed up, maybe over-ready to, GGG was like a statue standing still. So while GGG was conserving his energy, Canelo as maybe using up too much energy. But the difference is Canelo was ready to go at full speed from the opening bell while GGG wasn't. GGG should have already started his engine before Round 1, so by the time the opening bell rang he would have his speed. That was the problem, he just was not ready to fight early on. You can blame it on age, but I think there was a miscalculation there by GGG. He was very capable of being more "ready to fight" at 40, but he was so worried about making it to the final bell he was super conservating his energy and he came out too slow to compete with Canelo who was better prepared to perform at a high level.
     
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  10. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What I find confusing is the response. The Bivol performance was quite similar to GGG 1 and this performance was also Canelo 1.0. Focused on his gas tank, not taking chances and just throwing the odd counter his opponent gives him so he can win 8 rounds and take the W.

    Stylistic differences but it was the core of why I was never a fan (until recently, still a fan because he's fighting a unique schedule). When he caved BJS' face in, that was a different Canelo. This is what he always was.
     
  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    He did not look like the then still well past prime GGG of 4/5 years ago at all. He looked like a 40 y/o worn out old car with a 400 y/o engine trundling along after he'd finally managed to get his battered old rusty engine going. Shame on you, Shadow. Shame on you.
     
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  12. Serge

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    :lol: Thanks
     
  13. IsaL

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    I give up, why??
     
  14. Marvelous_Iron

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    guys like SRL, Duran, and Hagler would school both of them

    let's take Canelo's most heralded KO on Khan, Khan looked a good 10lbs smaller than Canelo and performed like an amateur, setting up a right with a jab feign is as basic as it gets, so what does Khan do, he doesn't react to the jab feign at all by moving off center or throwing a punch that would disrupt the right, not only does he just stand there he drops his guard to attempt to shove with both hands and eats the right, lots of guys would have knocked him out similarly with a wide open shot like that

    neither one of them display worthwhile head movement or move after they punch, they just stand there in front of each other, Canelo telegraphs his rights so bad and GGG doesn't move at all, GGG just stands there and eats jabs too
     
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  15. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Congrats on you're scoring.

    You're one of the few who scored it exactly as I did.

    Which is to say, correctly. :biggrin:
     
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