Who is the most overrated heavyweight, Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Tyson Fury, or others?

I man who drubbed Joe Frazier ain't overrated. As far as his comeback, you see any other 45 year olds who would be remotely competitive?

 

Tyson by a mile.
H2h he supposedly hospitalizes destroys, or KO’s in 20 seconds practically anyone he’s matched with despite not being able to do likewise in reality to some pretty bog average opposition.

Even his opposition get credited for being better than what they were. Tucker is suddenly this elite level, athletic talent when his resume is totally mediocre, Douglas was an ATG for one night apparently and Ruddock was this monster threat to anyone despite beating nobody of note ever and getting obliterated by a legitimate ATG in LL.

Tyson was a great fighter (especially in the first 4 rounds) with flaws and never unbeatable nor the unstoppable destroyer his more deluded fans think. But try telling them that.

 

Aaaannnnddd you my friend are the first to take the bait.

I never said anything about destroying Joe Frazier, someone Foreman had every stylistic advantage over. Incredible victory, same with the KO over Norton. But I'm talking about the claims that 45 year old George Foreman had men like Mike Tyson, Riddick Bowe and Lennox Lewis shaking in their boots by the mere mention of his name.

George Foreman is absolutely overrated when fans say he broke bones and made opponents retire. He got beat up against every fighter who had a name besides Gerry Cooney during his comeback. A comeback where promoters had undeserving men (even for the 90's) skip handfuls of more deserving men to miraculously end up ranked in the Top 10. And Foreman still looked like **** against them!!

Every single ranked opponent Comeback Foreman faced teed off on him. Made him look silly. O V E R R A T E D when your only claim is "You see any other 45 year olds who would be remotely competitive?" I have an answer for that and it's yeah, Larry Holmes, who found out how easy it was to take the Foreman route to a heavyweight title shot.

Does 45 year old Holmes lose every round to Tommy Morrison? Does Holmes get bludgeoned by Alex Stewart? Lose to Euro bum Axel Schulz?

Holmes came close to actually winning against a man who KO'd Lennox Lewis in 2 rounds. He didn't score a 10th round come from the brink of defeat KO that any other fighter would get called "lucky" for doing.

Win vs Gerry Cooney's corpse.
Loss to Holyfield.
Win over Pierre Coetzer who was coming off 2 straight KO's to Bowe and Bruno.
"Win" vs Alex Stewart who came off 3 KO's to Holyfield, Tyson and Moorer.
Loss to Tommy Morrison who would lose his very next bout via 1st round KO to Michael Bentt.
Wins title against Michael Moorer. *The only reason I rank Foreman in my ATG hwy Top 10.
Ducked Tony Tucker. And that's what I call a straight up OFFICIAL duck.
"Win" over Axel Schulz.
"Win" over Lou Savarese.
Win over Crawford Grimsley who in his next bout sets a Guinness Book of World Record for fastest KO loss in 8 seconds to Jimmy Thunder.
"Loss" vs Shannon Briggs.

This is easy...

 

Babe Ruth. Michael Jordan. There are a few

 

George Foreman is the oldest heavyweight champion in history,,,you're right this is easy

 

Cause too many casuals see him as the GOAT, or think he was the most skilled.

 

Tyson idolized Ali as a kid, but he never said Ali is the GOAT p4p

 

His resume is also vastly overrated. You have to look not just at the names on it, but also at the circumstances of those fights.
Some of the men he beat were past it, some are vastly overrated and have become bigger names simply cause they fought him, some were robbed against him, Liston took a dive etc.
Ali benefitted from some gift decisions simply cause he was the cash cow back then.

 

The claim is the he is the most overrated boxer, not necessarily the most overrated HW, but he's also that.

 

In a h2h scenario, he's nowhere near the top 5 for me.
Achievements wise, he's top 2.

 

I agree with this..just the fact that he is in this thread listed with Ali and Tyson etc is overrating him. I don't dislike him, he's got a fascinating story but put him in the mid 1990s and he's on the same level as the big Cuban Heavyweight that Bowe knocked out...Gonzalez.

Tyson Fury is the answer but I gotta give him credit for at least bring some interest back to the heavyweight division. He's got a personality.

 

Those smaller heavyweights wouldn't be slower. They would be quicker, much quicker than the current crop of heavyweights as well as having better coordination and superior stamina. The smaller boxers would have better skillsets generally as well. If the smaller, quicker guys couldn't lay a glove on Ali the big guys couldn't get out of the dressing room.
Even in the 70s one of Ali's main sparring partners was 6-6, 235lb Roy Wiliams who was probably about the same level as Fury or Joshua but Ali toyed with him on a daily basis.

 

Ah c'mon, this is extreme.
Surely you see that some very serious fans could & DO consider Ali the GOAT-& that he is among a handful who you can easily make that case for.
The number of top guys he fought & at what stage is among or the best ever.
Norton "mediocre at best"?!
Any guy below or borderline ATG is not a default club or jorneyman fighter.

There is no good reason to believe Ali lost to Doug Jones.
It was like Tyson vs. Tillis, except that was closer & Ali got better later in the fight, Tyson worse.
They were both immediately pre-prime, but Tillis had just lost 3 of his last 4 fights.

There is no cause to believe the first Liston fight was fixed, & his shoulder injury was well certified. A product of Ali's efforts.
The second fight a mess that the referee screwed up, Liston waiting for Ali to be withdrawn, broken down but not likely he explictly took a dive-although you can make an argument there.

Bottom line is that there us bias towards AlI by some.
But you betray the oppisite bias.

 

At least you bothered to attempt an explanation this time.

Because he clearly is? Also man that's a lot of casuals..pretty much everybody!

List with context, and proof liston took a dive?

You: "Ali is the most overrated boxer and heavyweight"
Also you: "According to the only metric that really matters in boxing he's top 2"

 

I see what your saying but remember Holmes wasn't out of the sport retired for 10 years. What Foreman did will probably never be done again.
I'm realistic about his ability. I don't know too many fans who thought Lennox Lewis or Bowe were scared to fight him. The Tyson match was intriguing to many fans at the time because of those stylistic advantages you mentioned that George had over Frazier to a certain extent..and let's honest Tyson wasn't into Boxing anymore at that time he was off the rails.