Deontay Leshun Wilder vs. Robert Gabriel Helenius & Caleb Plant vs. Anthony Dirrell RBR.

just has a watch, first knockdown in that was a full blown right hand hence why fury was hurt, his arm was not in external rotation. Second knockdown was a punch/push when fury was already hurt.
Nothing like this situation.

 

You said it was a fascinating matchup of styles. Wilder having a punchers chance doesn't make it that, he has a punchers chance against everyone.

 

Are you not familiar with the fact that an off balance, open handed slap to the nose at half extension isn’t going to generate any power? The friends bungled it. Oh well, most people bought it anyway. I just think it’s funny, it doesn’t actually change anything and I’ll forget about it tomorrow.

 

Punch resistance declines with age and...for lack of a better term...from reisting punches.

 

again wilders arm was in almost full external rotation at the shoulder, try throw a staight punch in that position, its not a good idea. It was a slap with poor technique at that.

 

This may well be true but it doesn't explain why Whyte, who is supposed to be a puncher, had Helenius in Britain, on short notice, threw the kitchen sink at him and couldn't hurt him over 12. And age + wear isn't a sufficient explanation because non-puncher Duhaupas had already KO'd Helenius in 6.

 

there is no such thing as 'internally rotating your trunk'.
Regardless if he did rotate to the right at the hips, you power would dissipate at the shoulder from the terrible starting position he is in.

I have no problem with people believing this is real at all.
Im just outlining why i am quiet suspect.

 

Does this sound like a ****ing open hand slap to you?

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It is. Usyk's consummate and brilliantly skilled boxing vs Wilders right hand and power. Can Wilder set up a master boxer such as Usyk and detonate? Can he get a pretty skilled durable guy with heart out of there? Can he establish a bit of a jab again to camouflage the right and play with Usyk's rhythm? Can Usyk get thru the entire bout virtually mistake free?

A great boxer vs great power - always a fine matchup and has been for as long as men have boxed.

 

Seriously, there's some idiots on this board to think this is a dive.

 

My point was, glancing blows can hurt. Watch the Helenius replay, he was cracked clean on the jaw. If that was an act then it would have to have been executed with precision beyond even the most talented actor.

 

Seeing Mick Katsidis put on ***** street from a shot that would've just bounced off him in his prime springs to mind. Not that Helenius' punch resistance was ever top-drawer, but it's unsurprising that it would be eroded enough at this stage for him to be knocked cold by a seemingly innocuous shot he didn't see coming from an uncommon puncher who doesn't necessarily have to throw or land correctly to hurt other pros.

But, you're right, this is one of those perception things that no party is going to conclusively prove to the other.

 

Wilder doesn't have any style that will cause Usyk problems, he's a **** boxer with awful technique who just happens to have a big right hand which is enough to take out the tomato cans he's been matched with all his career. If Usyk makes a dumb mistake he might get caught, otherwise it's a 12 round schooling.

 

Bro WTF are you talking about? The guy walked into a punch and Wilder placed a short, check right hand right on the button. Doesn't take much to hurt someone when someone is rushing in. That's boxing 101.