Wilder-Helenius "Dive?"

Look at that angle for god sake, that is 100% either some f***** unseen to this day glass chin on Helenius or that is 500% a dive
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Ok we are not buddies, and we have argued over times and times again, but pls tell me how you can generate power like that, and tell me that this doesn't looks at the very least suspect:
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Just look at both angles. That is 100% a dive.
You have solid martial arts background, and you know this ain't a KO punch, no matter how much power you have in your hands.

 

Yeah i saw that one too.
Now watch what will happen in the next few days all the good angle of the punch that looks suspicious will suddenly start disappearing, until there is not a single footage of a good angle to see what actually happen.

This 2 angles proof it, this is 100% a dive.
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here you get the aerial view.
You can see that wilder didn't even rotate his hips into it. There was nothing behind that punch at all apart from the external rotation of his shoulder .

 

Wilder doesn't have the money to convince Helenius to take a dive and derail his career even further. There were many potential big opportunities for Helenius if he had beaten or simply survived going the distance with Wilder (either scenario would raise his stock significantly). A fight with Fury, Joshua, Ruiz, or Usyk down the line could have made him a millionaire win or lose. Why the hell would he agree to not only lose and ruin those potential paydays/title shots, but to lose by brutal KO in the 1st round? That often ruins fighters chances completely, especially in this day and age, to find good opponents or get title shots.

Wilder would need to offer him at least $5 million just to consider the offer. I'm trying to figure out where people think the guy or his team has all this money laying around. We know Wilder loves lavish clothes and spending money on his wife, so I would love to hear the explanation. It doesn't make much sense for either guy.

 

I dare anyone to explain to me, how is that a KO punch ??????

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This is the best angles, that clearly show that first Wilder arm was not in the right position to throw a good power punch, it was wide away from his body to generate power and that was just an arm punch at best.
[url]DmitrKudrayshov[/url] explain it best here:
right arm in external rotation. it is very hard to generate power in a straight punch like this.
Not fully pulled back too.
hit him on the nose and there is not a mark on his nose nor does it look broke.

If you threw a straight punch with power with your arm in external rotation like that you are likely to injury yourself. Apart from the fact that it would be near impossible to throw with decent power.

It was a badly thrown slap with zero power.


PBC also released a highlight of the fight, without the actual KO, like WTH ?

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Damn I love ESB!

 

Fury has survived that right hand through three fights with Wilder. That speaks volumes to the kind of chin Fury has. Has to be one of the best chins I can think of since, maybe Mercer? Joyce seems pretty sturdy too. What are the odds he gets a Crack at Wilder next?

 

Better actor Scuba Scott or Rockin Robbie Hilarious

 

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Helenius was rocked by Shermann Williams. He has a GLASS JAW and Wilder has tremendous power.

A very bad combination.

 

Yep they already started to delete video footage.

 

We can have a different approach to our disagreements, but this is another topic. But on the one about Wilder KO over Helenius we're on the same page - this punch is not powerful enough to drop an opponent the way it happened. Just as you mentioned in another comment - same happened against Scott. So I agree with you.

To be honest, Wilder is a power puncher, but when it comes to a mid-level fighters at best. We don't know how much of a power puncher is against top opponents, but if we count his fights with Fury, he's just an average power puncher amongst the top.

 

well maybe that just isnt available in your country.

 

Ok explain this 2 angles then ? Where is the power exactly coming from ? Or now Wilder is some Terminator type of person ???
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The way Helenius just lies on the floor blinking at the ref is weird too. Makes no effort to get up.

Maybe Wilder didn't pay him to lie down. Maybe he just felt the power and didn't fancy it.